Differential question
Differential question
Hi,
I am new to this board and have placed a deposit on the new Evo. If I can get this car classed, I may set one up for racing. The car would be used for roadracing only. The car must be the U.S. spec car. Differentials are free, but I doubt I would be allowed to retrofit ACD/AYC. If this assumption is true, What would be my best options for rear, center and front diffs for my application.
Thanks
I am new to this board and have placed a deposit on the new Evo. If I can get this car classed, I may set one up for racing. The car would be used for roadracing only. The car must be the U.S. spec car. Differentials are free, but I doubt I would be allowed to retrofit ACD/AYC. If this assumption is true, What would be my best options for rear, center and front diffs for my application.
Thanks
Differential Question
Thanks for the reply,
You have named brands that are helical gear type as well as plate type. Do I want to mix and match types? If plate type, do I want 1-way, 1.5 or 2-way? What about Ralliart? I realize this is difficult because we don't know what the U.S. spec Evo will be yet, but I'm looking for more specific information.
This car would rarely be driven on the street, and since it would be strictly a roadrace setup and not used for rallying, I'm not looking to powerslide the rear end all over the place. Great grip with minimal understeer is the goal.
The class I am thinking about is SCCA's Touring 2 class where I currently race a Porsche Boxster S. Other cars in this class include the Z-28, Honda S-2000, 350Z, Mustangs and E-36 BMW's.
Thanks again,
You have named brands that are helical gear type as well as plate type. Do I want to mix and match types? If plate type, do I want 1-way, 1.5 or 2-way? What about Ralliart? I realize this is difficult because we don't know what the U.S. spec Evo will be yet, but I'm looking for more specific information.
This car would rarely be driven on the street, and since it would be strictly a roadrace setup and not used for rallying, I'm not looking to powerslide the rear end all over the place. Great grip with minimal understeer is the goal.
The class I am thinking about is SCCA's Touring 2 class where I currently race a Porsche Boxster S. Other cars in this class include the Z-28, Honda S-2000, 350Z, Mustangs and E-36 BMW's.
Thanks again,
Differential Question
Thanks Red,
Launches are not a concern, we do rolling starts. I'm assuming I want to stay away from helical diffs because it's probably possible to lift a wheel on track with this car. Can you elaborate on the feel of 1.5 vs 2-way lockup on plate type LSD's?
Thanks,
Launches are not a concern, we do rolling starts. I'm assuming I want to stay away from helical diffs because it's probably possible to lift a wheel on track with this car. Can you elaborate on the feel of 1.5 vs 2-way lockup on plate type LSD's?
Thanks,
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I have a Ralliart 1.5 way plate type front LSD in my Evo 6. Turn in is amazingly precise (had an open diff before
) and front grip under acceleration just as astonishing!
In 1st and gear accelerating out of a hairpin, it will definitely make the AYC kiss goodbye
, sometimes in second as well (when heavily loaded on one side).
It doesnt help much at speeds above 50 mph, although the front feels much more planted. You may want to look into a 2 way front in order to get even better turn in?
) and front grip under acceleration just as astonishing!In 1st and gear accelerating out of a hairpin, it will definitely make the AYC kiss goodbye
, sometimes in second as well (when heavily loaded on one side).It doesnt help much at speeds above 50 mph, although the front feels much more planted. You may want to look into a 2 way front in order to get even better turn in?
Differential Question
Thanks Claudius,
I'm assuming the U.S. car will have either an open front diff or a helical type. I will look into the Ralliart parts. Do these kits come with parts to beef up the center diff? Also any thoughts on the rear diff?
Thanks,
I'm assuming the U.S. car will have either an open front diff or a helical type. I will look into the Ralliart parts. Do these kits come with parts to beef up the center diff? Also any thoughts on the rear diff?
Thanks,
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I replaced my AYC diff with the RS type to get a livelier rear end and more fun to drive car. My rally team opened it and put more preload on it to make it lock up earlier. It's now 75% approx. 
Cusco diffs are supposed to be good if the car is fairly stock, ie up to 400 bhp. For high power applications, they may not be good enough.

Cusco diffs are supposed to be good if the car is fairly stock, ie up to 400 bhp. For high power applications, they may not be good enough.
Claudius (wtz), I think the best setup for road racing would be (just doing the math in my head!), A one way front and center with a 1.5 rear. Here is my logic... from turn in to apex you want the car to be as "free" as possible (all wheels able to follow their own radius) with a little more drag in the rear (1.5 in the back). This will minimize understeer, then when power is applied (just before the apex on slowish <4gear corners, earlier on faster corners) the car should go pretty neutral from there out (if you've done the first bit right)
Re: Differential Question
Originally posted by wtz
Thanks for the reply,
You have named brands that are helical gear type as well as plate type. Do I want to mix and match types? If plate type, do I want 1-way, 1.5 or 2-way? What about Ralliart? I realize this is difficult because we don't know what the U.S. spec Evo will be yet, but I'm looking for more specific information.
This car would rarely be driven on the street, and since it would be strictly a roadrace setup and not used for rallying, I'm not looking to powerslide the rear end all over the place. Great grip with minimal understeer is the goal.
The class I am thinking about is SCCA's Touring 2 class where I currently race a Porsche Boxster S. Other cars in this class include the Z-28, Honda S-2000, 350Z, Mustangs and E-36 BMW's.
Thanks again,
Thanks for the reply,
You have named brands that are helical gear type as well as plate type. Do I want to mix and match types? If plate type, do I want 1-way, 1.5 or 2-way? What about Ralliart? I realize this is difficult because we don't know what the U.S. spec Evo will be yet, but I'm looking for more specific information.
This car would rarely be driven on the street, and since it would be strictly a roadrace setup and not used for rallying, I'm not looking to powerslide the rear end all over the place. Great grip with minimal understeer is the goal.
The class I am thinking about is SCCA's Touring 2 class where I currently race a Porsche Boxster S. Other cars in this class include the Z-28, Honda S-2000, 350Z, Mustangs and E-36 BMW's.
Thanks again,
Better check your SCCA rule book, in my area, no forced induction cars can be in T2... of course they also just "recently" have added a Super Performance class where the turbo and blown cars get stuck.... along with anything else that dosent fit quiet right in other classes

But before this they were in ITA or ITE (cant remeber which)
i dont think you want to power slide (its not approved of in most cases by scca officials and probably not the fastest way to drive on the track anyways)... of course thats your decision... you can take my comment there as a grain of sale.
SCCA might have rules about what you can do to your Diff's (doubt they'd catch it on inspection though)
Are you pro, or do you just race in your region? i guess it depends more on this right here...
Last edited by CooperAWD; Dec 22, 2002 at 11:14 PM.
Originally posted by Claudius
Hi chronohunter,
why wouldnt you want a 2 way front diff?
Hi chronohunter,
why wouldnt you want a 2 way front diff?
Does any one know what the diff settings tend to be for a WRC car on tarmac or any professional curcuit racing team (I know they will vary but it would be interesting info nun-the-less)
fun topic!


