Buschur Racing dyno thread.....new developments.
Originally Posted by Derek Baker
Jarrod,
Thanks for adding the wires to my order.. Looking forward to see how everything works together..
Derek
Thanks for adding the wires to my order.. Looking forward to see how everything works together..
Derek
Jarrod
Originally Posted by Derek Baker
Jarrod,
Thanks for adding the wires to my order.. Looking forward to see how everything works together..
Derek
Thanks for adding the wires to my order.. Looking forward to see how everything works together..
Derek
The Alcohol injection is next on my list Al. With the Buschur Front mount and a new custom tune from you. I will have the AEM Wideband in there for you to make it a little easier for you to tune
Looking forward to the next trip down Al.
P.S. Al did you get a new connector for the computer?
Derek
Looking forward to the next trip down Al.
P.S. Al did you get a new connector for the computer?
Derek
We just sold the last set of the Magnecors. I just ordered 15 more sets. The new batch we will be selling for $70 a set. If you would like to put a set on order please give us a call 440-839-1900. They should be here monday and can ship ASAP. Thank You
Take Care,
Jarrod
Take Care,
Jarrod
Hell @ $70 you guys are still beating everyone I've seen by about $20 and some change 
edit: on a side note who here is running the BR mas air pipe? pm me if you are, I could use some feedback.
edit: on a side note who here is running the BR mas air pipe? pm me if you are, I could use some feedback.
Wow, had about 15 sets of those sitting here for well over a year I would guess. Sold only a few. The power of the internet.
I would have liked to not raised the price at all but.....I would like to be able to pay the light bill
The reason I wouldn't think the deluxe kit would make any difference is the core and end tanks are exactly the same. The only difference is the inlets and the fact that the deluxe kit comes with that short lower i/c pipe. I wasn't expecting any power gains from that lower i/c pipe.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I would have liked to not raised the price at all but.....I would like to be able to pay the light bill

The reason I wouldn't think the deluxe kit would make any difference is the core and end tanks are exactly the same. The only difference is the inlets and the fact that the deluxe kit comes with that short lower i/c pipe. I wasn't expecting any power gains from that lower i/c pipe.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by Jrod@Buschur
We just sold the last set of the Magnecors. I just ordered 15 more sets. The new batch we will be selling for $70 a set. If you would like to put a set on order please give us a call 440-839-1900. They should be here monday and can ship ASAP. Thank You
Take Care,
Jarrod
Take Care,
Jarrod
Hope I got taken care of...
Last edited by Zeus; Jan 27, 2005 at 10:37 AM.
Back on the dyno today. I am going to post up charts later, if Jarrod gets some darn time.
Here are the stats on the car as a quick review.
2004 EVO RS. 2500 miles. 278 dyno pulls on it so far.
The car has our complete Stage 3 kit on it now with the upgraded fuel pump from Stage 4.
The car has NEVER had anything in it but Sunoco 94, so no possibility of any race gas being mixed in from days gone by.
We have had the HP on the car as high as 345 whp and 360 ft lbs of torque. This was on 94 octane with alcohol injection and our reflash.
With just our Stage 2 kit, FMIC, fuel pump on it and now tuning with the AEM EMS the power was about 335. Boost at that point was 19-20 psi (NOT HIGHER!!) from 6500-7500 rpm. That is where it would drop to. This car has an unusually high boost spike and has since the first day. I will see 3-4 psi spike. (The MR's as a side note have NO spike on them with the different turbo)
So, last night we were going to start cam testing. We were out of 264 intake cams so Dan (my brother) threw a set of 272 cams in we had. I wanted to test them all and combinations of each too. Not sure I will after this round of testing, I am too pleased.
The spool up on the dyno with the 272/272 cams are IDENTICAL to stock. These cam just flat our leaves the stock power band at about 4,000 rpm though. So no loss in low end wit the 272/272 cams. Power from 4,000 and up was increased at the exactly same boost levels by 37 whp! I had to add a bunch of fuel for the cams, probably 15% more over 6,000 rpm and from 4,000 to 6,000 it increased from what I had before to the 15%.
Very pleased with the increase. It brought the power up to 368 whp, the car is now just freaking unruley on the dyno. It hits so hard when the boost comes in the tires just fry and wheel hop. I messed with air pressure today and moving the car on the rollers and tightening the straps tighter and still can't get rid of the spin. When the turbo first hits the power gets as high as 387.7 whp but then comes down. I attribute that to the tire spin but it might just be the spike in the boost at that point. I will call it 368 whp though, you guys can see for yourself when we post the charts.
It took me a good 20 dyno pulls to get the air fuel right and we added more fuel during this. Same 94 we have been running. After this new fuel went it the car started getting some detonation. I ended up pulling 2-3 degrees of timing out of it to keep the knock very low, I AM NOT TUNING ANYWHERE NEAR THE EDGE. The AFR's were as rich as 10.8 on these runs and only got as lean as 11.7. This is how it made the 368 whp.
So, after getting it tuned and two passes that were identical to each other I pulled the stock throttle body off the car.
I had two throttle bodies to test. In my mind NO larger throttle body is going to gain HP if the hole that it bolts to (stock intake) has the same old small hole in it the throttle body use to. In otherwords, bolting a 65mm TB to a 55 mm hole should not gain HP.
First I tested the throttle body we bought from Works on the car. Then I tested our throttle body. The performance was EXACTLY the same. NO change. As a matter of fact if I had to make a decision I would say both lost a little bit of power, 1-2 in a few spots.
You just can't expect to gain HP by making the air more turbulent, going from a larger hole back into a smaller one. It can't happen. Now, porting the hole in the stock intake to match the larger TB would then probably make a difference.
This brings us to what is going on now. The intake is now being taken off the car, we are going to put the ported/Extrude Honed intake on the car now with the larger throttle body and see what happens. I am once again hoping for a gain, but I will post the actual results regardless if they are good or not.
Stay tuned,
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Here are the stats on the car as a quick review.
2004 EVO RS. 2500 miles. 278 dyno pulls on it so far.
The car has our complete Stage 3 kit on it now with the upgraded fuel pump from Stage 4.
The car has NEVER had anything in it but Sunoco 94, so no possibility of any race gas being mixed in from days gone by.
We have had the HP on the car as high as 345 whp and 360 ft lbs of torque. This was on 94 octane with alcohol injection and our reflash.
With just our Stage 2 kit, FMIC, fuel pump on it and now tuning with the AEM EMS the power was about 335. Boost at that point was 19-20 psi (NOT HIGHER!!) from 6500-7500 rpm. That is where it would drop to. This car has an unusually high boost spike and has since the first day. I will see 3-4 psi spike. (The MR's as a side note have NO spike on them with the different turbo)
So, last night we were going to start cam testing. We were out of 264 intake cams so Dan (my brother) threw a set of 272 cams in we had. I wanted to test them all and combinations of each too. Not sure I will after this round of testing, I am too pleased.
The spool up on the dyno with the 272/272 cams are IDENTICAL to stock. These cam just flat our leaves the stock power band at about 4,000 rpm though. So no loss in low end wit the 272/272 cams. Power from 4,000 and up was increased at the exactly same boost levels by 37 whp! I had to add a bunch of fuel for the cams, probably 15% more over 6,000 rpm and from 4,000 to 6,000 it increased from what I had before to the 15%.
Very pleased with the increase. It brought the power up to 368 whp, the car is now just freaking unruley on the dyno. It hits so hard when the boost comes in the tires just fry and wheel hop. I messed with air pressure today and moving the car on the rollers and tightening the straps tighter and still can't get rid of the spin. When the turbo first hits the power gets as high as 387.7 whp but then comes down. I attribute that to the tire spin but it might just be the spike in the boost at that point. I will call it 368 whp though, you guys can see for yourself when we post the charts.
It took me a good 20 dyno pulls to get the air fuel right and we added more fuel during this. Same 94 we have been running. After this new fuel went it the car started getting some detonation. I ended up pulling 2-3 degrees of timing out of it to keep the knock very low, I AM NOT TUNING ANYWHERE NEAR THE EDGE. The AFR's were as rich as 10.8 on these runs and only got as lean as 11.7. This is how it made the 368 whp.
So, after getting it tuned and two passes that were identical to each other I pulled the stock throttle body off the car.
I had two throttle bodies to test. In my mind NO larger throttle body is going to gain HP if the hole that it bolts to (stock intake) has the same old small hole in it the throttle body use to. In otherwords, bolting a 65mm TB to a 55 mm hole should not gain HP.
First I tested the throttle body we bought from Works on the car. Then I tested our throttle body. The performance was EXACTLY the same. NO change. As a matter of fact if I had to make a decision I would say both lost a little bit of power, 1-2 in a few spots.
You just can't expect to gain HP by making the air more turbulent, going from a larger hole back into a smaller one. It can't happen. Now, porting the hole in the stock intake to match the larger TB would then probably make a difference.
This brings us to what is going on now. The intake is now being taken off the car, we are going to put the ported/Extrude Honed intake on the car now with the larger throttle body and see what happens. I am once again hoping for a gain, but I will post the actual results regardless if they are good or not.
Stay tuned,
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
nice thanks for the update.
one question on the alcohol kit???? My car is still completly stock and a friend of mine said to get you kit and the ecu tuned for it. what do you recommend?
It is worth putting on a stock car? Maybe if anything for producing baseline numbers??????
one question on the alcohol kit???? My car is still completly stock and a friend of mine said to get you kit and the ecu tuned for it. what do you recommend?
It is worth putting on a stock car? Maybe if anything for producing baseline numbers??????
The alky kit is not worth putting on a stock car. Get Stg 1 and the alky kit and the alky kit reflash and then you will be impressed.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com






