haha you sooo didn't read my post.

You're trying to say AEM is a great stand-alone? You'll get no argument from me about that.

 

efi aussie imports for the tuning?

 

aussie imports would be the people to go to for autronic. they are the autronic us distributor. not sure how friendly they are with the AEM EMS though. we used an autronic plug and play unit on an MR an it made 405 whp on a known conservative mustang dyno. it could have made more but it was for a road racing application, so kept the a/f, timing, and revs conservative. the tuning process was straight forward, and had decent drivability considering the wild cams it was running.

 

the oem m800 has been around AUS for awhile, it's great that motec usa is finally bringing it over. if the pnp has less features than the standard m800, i hope the price reflects that difference. otherwise, i'd just as easy build a patch harness that would plug in a standard m800 for about $200 US, and have the full capabilities of an m800 open.

you're right about the m800 being overkill for most people on this board, but when i was at the EVOM tuner challenge... I wasn't particularily impressed with most of the cars and the way they were tuned. I think those cars were modified enough to warrant a motec, and they would definately benefit.

the way i think about motec is like snap on tools... how much better is snap on over craftsman? they both consist of sockets, wrenches, and screw drivers... but ask a professional mechanic who does it day in and day out... and he knows the difference between the two.

 

We aren't using these things as hammers! You haven't gotten familiar with the AEM unit....that's obvious enough. I could name dozens of people who are considered to be the best tuners in the country, and when they took the time to learn the system, there was no contest. Just because it costs around 5X as much to get the same features, doesn't mean you get better quality. Take the computer you are using right now as a perfect example. 5 years ago, your PC costs about $1500, and was at best a PII with a 600mhz processor in it, and you were doing good if you could find a 100gig drive. Now, for that same money you can have something 10X the speed, more reliability, and storage 5X the size. The electronics used in the ECU's today are far more capable than they use to be, it really isn't an issue, solid state electronics with 1 % components are as good as they get. What you get is what you get, no matter what the cost. In this case, the AEM unit has alot more I/O than the MoTec, while the MoTec has CAN and telemetry, street guys have no use for this. The AEM has several important features you can't get with the MoTec, like Knock control. At 1/5th the final price (when you get all the features that the AEM comes with standard) it really is a no brainer.

Jason.

 

how can I help you ?
10 years with motec ECU's (Rally, Race ,street, and drag ) cars !
any questions??? let me know

ECU is only as good as the mapper

 

if you run this patch harness w/ either system, you should have infinite adjustability in adding addl electronics if needed.


http://www.machevo.com/cocoecupaha.html

 

well... i'm willing to give AEM another try, i'll do a back to back test against my m800 and see what i find.

 

Right, just like 40 x 21 maps, according to you, street guys have no use for it. I guess street guys also don't need to have that many I/O either. At least on the MoTeC, if you do run out of I/O, there are expansion options.

Knock control is available on MoTeC, just that it makes you jump through some hoops to get there.

There's no doubt that AEM offers great value, don't think anyone's disputing that.

 

I could compare that to...well, many things. Do you really need to run Hoosiers on a daily driver? Do you need to have a Sparco PRO2000 for a daily drivers seat? There are better systems than the AEM, but realistically, it can go farther than the majority of the board members and in some casers, TUNERS can go! Why would a motec be necessary unless the car had exceeded the already insane capabilities of the EMS? Just my .02

 

very good point feldguy. The Motec is a fantastic ecu......but it's price puts out of of reach of the vast majority of owners. I have used and tuned both on several customer cars (not Evo's, but just to give you a comparison), and practically speaking, I found the AEM a bit easier to use due to the windows software alone (and the built in datalogging, which for some (maybe all?) Motec's is ala carte)

Adam

 

That might be little off topic,but we gonna show some potentials of the MOTEC M800 here in Milwaukee this coming spring.Evorent(my buddy ) is going to do some tunning on some evo's(my MR included ) .You cant go wrong with 10 years of tunning experiences.He tunes MOTEC for years back in Europe(WRC and i mean it),so hopefully we can do something over here.
If You fellas remember that old vid when evo 6 going from 0-260 km/h(162 mph) in 19.2sec ,he actually did some work on that evo back in Sweden(engine and ECU).I know that is NOT only ECU itself ,but MOTEC played major part in that.Ok,will see what happenes this spring...Peace

 

i recently invested in a different engine management system for my honda... what to do with all my motec stuff... i don't know about everyone else but i'm gonna build a supercar.

z1 you gotta try a new motec m800 series that runs windows software. it is noticeably improved over the old dos stuff. it has configurable templates that make tuning custimized to your style. memorize the quick keys and you'll really be cooking.

for 05' i been told that the version 3 software will be released, and its supposed to show the true capabilities of the new ecu's.

 

what kind of ECU you want to used?

 

m800 w/ 5 bar map, ntk wideband, and gm boost solenoid, cdi-8 w/ dual post mercury marine coils, and racepak dash.

figuring out the 4g63 crip will be fun!