Ha ha ha..

Considering that the body of applied research/testing indicates this to be the case, I see no reason do doubt it.

 

hahaha, i would be at your house 2x a week .

 

No they will not be better with water added. The results are better with 100% Methanol .

 

Nice numbers! 462lbs of torque on a 16g is incredible!

 

When you think about it, you kind of are. Except I know well enough to hide my stash.

 

Hummm.. interesting..

Who's testing? And where the tests done on an internal combustion motor comparing straight alcohol.. or comparing water to water with alcohol.

I've not had one person who has ever tested on their own motor straight methanol over any mix ever go back to mixes..

I am aware of Ricardo, the countless NACA documents.. but the reality vs the papers..

See what the majority of water injection users including those with Aquamist systems fail to see is the volumes of liquid involved in creating the power. If you sprayed the same amount of water/mix as the same amount of alcohol I run.. you'd hydro the motor.

Look at the flow rates on an Aquamist setup. You'd be pressed to see 700 CC's per min. More in the 400-600 range. On straight alcohol I have 4 cyl motors running upwards of 2200 cc's per min.

This is the key

 

Hehehehe Meth dealer

I'm the bad guy in the neighborhood

 

At this volume of consumption, How long would a reservoir last on a street car/race car with a factory spray tank?

 

If your at that level that need that type of volume to create power.. long enough to spank whatever gets next to you. After all consumption worries only apply to slow cars.

And consumption is dependant on how much your trying to do. If you only want a few lbs of boost over what your currently running.. then maybe 400 CC's will get that. Hell you can run straight water. If your trying to get 35 PSI boost and make 600+ WHP.. then you need to step up the injection.

I have a 4 cyl Dodge that ran out of injectors at 350 WHP. With alcohol it was taken to 500 WHP at 28 PSI. It was running twin large jets at 170 PSI pressure. It wouldnt go any higher boost wise on the dyno(boost control issues). On the street that car would run 34-35 PSI on pump gas. On a FWD car..thats sick.

Consumption was high.. but when you accomplish things faster.. your into the pedal less.. its all relative

 

Apparently we aren't speaking of apples and apples. The difference is you are using methanol strictly as a fuel, not as an anti-detonant. The function of injected water is to provide a means of 'heat soak' to combustion when a given fuel has reached its octane limit.

 

Using alcohol in conjuction with C-16 is basically pointless? With high doses of methanol used like you described without a doubt there will be oil contamination, and negative cooling issues for sure, which cause internal damages from low operating temps. Personally the pump gas/alky mix is the best way to upgrade performance without side effects of straight fuels.

 

Wrong,
Its adds to the effective octane of the fuel being used. This in turn eliminates detonation.

Knock sensors dont lie. You will never run the boost and timing that can be run on straight methanol vs water on an injection system. Period documented/raced/proven.

I'll put money on this statement.

You can debate this when you've done the tests.

So explain this thread the motor made more power on pump gas with methanol than it did on C16

50 dyno pulls wasnt enough?

Careful who you/what you blame...

 

Im sorry maybe im just retarted.....what were the final #s? What injectors are u using?

 

The point is show volumes that can be run. Doesnt mean "have to be run"

If your injectors are at 100% DC.. why go bigger.. bring them down to 75-80% DC and make up the rest using the alcohol at WOT. And for short blasts.. zero issues.

If your IC is not bringing temps down correctly becuase its too small to do the job.. this will get you to ambient temps at WOT 30 PSI.. C16 will detonate like crazy when intake temps go past 200 degree's.

Let alone the alcohol will help clean out the motor.

Nay sayers will always be nay sayers. Run water mixes and be slower.. your call. Someone shows you the lite..whether you want to see it.. thats totally up to the end person.

Internet is a pretty big place.. show me damages cuased by running too much alcohol coupled with an injection kit... I know I have over 500 systems running.. thats a lot of people flogging on their motors..

HTH

Whats next.. turbo timers, wings, airfilters and my favorite.. synthetic oil

 

FWIW, anything with an octane rating is a fuel. An anti-detonant in this context refers to an incombustible substance that serves to remove heat. A fuel and an anti-detonant are not the same. I merely pointed out that you are using methanol as a fuel. The fact that the raised octane reduces detonation doesn't change the fact that it is a fuel for the sake of discussion.

We don't gamble much around here.


Actually, we are all free to debate whatever, whenever, although posting the data from said tests may save us all the need for debate.


I don't know, I wasn't there and I've not seen 50 pulls of data.


Blame what? LOL