Flashed White Rabbits: Please post your numbers Here!!
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From: TX
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
In the UK there is a firm that makes a upgraded TME with a dual ball bearing conversion. That turbo to date has been the most potent stock like turbo I have tested. Interestingly, the owner of that turbo has bought a WR unit and will be in to test it against his ball bearing TME soon.
This is my second request, can you tell us the firm who has this turbo. Thank you.
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From: TX
Originally Posted by timzcat
Quote from Shiv from this weekends dynoday at TT:
As for the White Rabbit, we didn't see the gains that we hoped to see. Much of this might have to do with the conditions. But then again, we didn't see much of a difference between the WR and the stock turbo. This does not mean that there isn't a difference. But we just have to find the application that does justice to the difference(s).
Oh well... back to work...
shiv
Oh well... back to work...
shiv
Originally Posted by MalibuJack
and in reality, if you can maintain boost pressure within the turbo's efficiency through a higher RPM, where your able maintain torque through a higher RPM, you can in theory produce those horsepower numbers, but I see some efficiency things that customer cars may be lacking that the Swytzer car had.. Boost control and leaks being one, the stock MAF being another, the ignition system is a much bigger contributor than many people actually realize also.
Originally Posted by RoundPro
Al,
This is my second request, can you tell us the firm who has this turbo. Thank you.
This is my second request, can you tell us the firm who has this turbo. Thank you.
Originally Posted by timzcat
Their ball bearing conversion spools up about 300 rpms faster than stock
Originally Posted by EvoBig16G
Quote from Shiv from this weekends dynoday at TT:
I wonder what the difference is either ?
Yep, sometimes jumping on the bandwagon before seeing actual results comes back to bite you in the ***! This is why I wait for actual results before I buy something for that amount of money. If I were one of the many who got this WR, I'd be PISSED!
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
You have to be joking - right ? Are you saying fixing boost leaks and ingition is worth another 140 whp ?
I have also been in contact with several people who have had this turbo for some time before the turbo was made public knowledge, and most have made very good gains, not 140whp, but still good for this type of turbo.
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I think what we're seeing here is the efficiency of the TD05H hotside and its ability to cope w/ larger amounts of air being crammed into the cold side. Can't cope...Any larger, it becomes a GT2540R. The hotside has spool and low end efficiency in mind w/ its coupling of the 2nd largest wheel that it can cope w/. The 20G wheel is a 44lb wheel itself and is marginal at best w/ a TD05H turbine wheel (very old wheel design and comparable in flow characteristics to the GT25/28 series(I personally think the NS111 wheel is actually better then the TD05H)) and why buschur was experiencing surging problems. Oh well, can't fight physics...
FWIW I have a friend with a very good running car with the typical bolt-on mods (Cams etc..) who will be installing the WR despite the bad press.. I will try to be there at the dyno when the car is tuned and will post a review and my findings.
My personal opinion is 30-50whp is what I would expect a turbo upgrade like this to offer, probably more if you have ancillary mods that improve the efficiency of the "pump" but I never had any unrealistic expectations for it. What impresses me with the people I've talked to is that all said that the car spooled like stock, but overall felt better and pulled harder and through higher RPM's
My personal opinion is 30-50whp is what I would expect a turbo upgrade like this to offer, probably more if you have ancillary mods that improve the efficiency of the "pump" but I never had any unrealistic expectations for it. What impresses me with the people I've talked to is that all said that the car spooled like stock, but overall felt better and pulled harder and through higher RPM's