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Look at my chart compared to Alex Alex in the Vishnu thread. I would say this turbo is good for 20 to 30 whp more than a TME. He has cams and a test pipe, and although he makes more than me, the spool and power levels are similar. If Smoggie gets a chance to overlap our graphs, it should be pretty obvious.
Originally Posted by atlvalet
Look at my chart compared to Alex Alex in the Vishnu thread. I would say this turbo is good for 20 to 30 whp more than a TME. He has cams and a test pipe, and although he makes more than me, the spool and power levels are similar. If Smoggie gets a chance to overlap our graphs, it should be pretty obvious.
Please specify whether this is race or pump gas and at what psi because I think this is important.
Anything with a bigger wheel needs more boost to see optimum gains...unfortunatly these are the real world trade offs...hope this helps.
Originally Posted by evovette
Im in the same boat as soon2be, now as someone with limited turbo knowledge I get the feeling this is a great race gas turbo, but for street cars its not a huge gain....Since I am part of the target customers ( I want a STREET car lots of power all over the rev range on pump not some laggy car that makes HUGE hp up top, think FQ-400) Id like to know the answer.....from what I have read ( after filtering out all the junk that is) its not for me
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All I want to see how much more whp does this turbo make over stock turbo.Same car same everything.Same dyno and tuner.Pump gas.race gas.If this was done from the start threads wouldnt be so dam long.Lets see results!!!!
I guess with some meth injection its still a 93 octane set up, and depending on what boost that allows this could be the turbo for me, crap Im confused again, Ill just go sit in the damn corner
Originally Posted by GOKOU
Please specify whether this is race or pump gas and at what psi because I think this is important.
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What irks me is not this turbo at all. I think it is a nice viable option to some ppl out there. Its the manner in which it came out. The dyno, the lack of REAL information. It was very easy for ALOT of people to get led astray. I know, its called MARKETING. Nothing wrong with a little of that. But even after some testing was done, there was still a pitiful lack of info on the manner of the runs, what boost settings and fuel type. Given these factors, ppl could really gauge better what this WR is all about. My point is, give the end user a bit more information instead of this cloak and dagger... I see at least a few ppl in a quandry as to what to do with their purchase. I personally know more then a few ppl that have been looking into this unit because of all the hype...
Buschur, on his testing of these was way more then forthcoming on his research and testing. Very str8 forward w/ the way he goes about things, so the end user ends up expecting exactly what he will be getting. I am in no way affiliated w/ buschur or his products. The ppl that drive another market brand vehicle know me a bit better...
Buschur, on his testing of these was way more then forthcoming on his research and testing. Very str8 forward w/ the way he goes about things, so the end user ends up expecting exactly what he will be getting. I am in no way affiliated w/ buschur or his products. The ppl that drive another market brand vehicle know me a bit better...
EVOVIIIYOU,
I realize that your head is so far up Tym's back side you can't see anything other than what you want to see, but if you go back and look at what I said about the SAE correction you will find someone else actually stated to run the dyno SAE corrected and I simply was saying, yes that would be the best way to do it. It then came out later that Tym DID actually run the dyno SAE corrected from the beginning. So you facts are screwed. BTW, for an EVO that is built as "great" as yours why exactly is it so slow? You can go climb back into the darkness of that butt now.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I realize that your head is so far up Tym's back side you can't see anything other than what you want to see, but if you go back and look at what I said about the SAE correction you will find someone else actually stated to run the dyno SAE corrected and I simply was saying, yes that would be the best way to do it. It then came out later that Tym DID actually run the dyno SAE corrected from the beginning. So you facts are screwed. BTW, for an EVO that is built as "great" as yours why exactly is it so slow? You can go climb back into the darkness of that butt now.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
kiddevo,
You hit the entire thing right dead on the head. That was exactly what I was offering to do, donating my time, dyno, tuning and labor. One car, one day, one dyno, one tuner (any tuner as I said before) and get this done and over with. 13 pages of having a product slammed and not real back-to-back comparisons yet.
I don't know how the hell I got taken so wrong when my intentions were good.
I have been over this with you, Robert, on the phone more than once.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
You hit the entire thing right dead on the head. That was exactly what I was offering to do, donating my time, dyno, tuning and labor. One car, one day, one dyno, one tuner (any tuner as I said before) and get this done and over with. 13 pages of having a product slammed and not real back-to-back comparisons yet.
I don't know how the hell I got taken so wrong when my intentions were good.
I have been over this with you, Robert, on the phone more than once.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
my question is,
with 2 years R&D that FP did why is there no results on their side? They made it seem like an awesome bolt on turbo yet no real analysis was given. I don't see it as being wrong at all that other tuners/shops are willing to do the testing that should have been done.
with 2 years R&D that FP did why is there no results on their side? They made it seem like an awesome bolt on turbo yet no real analysis was given. I don't see it as being wrong at all that other tuners/shops are willing to do the testing that should have been done.
(THis is not directed at any of the vendors or tuners in this thread, just the people swinging on their nuts)
Someone please close this and put it out of its misery..
We need a section of the forum that is read only to most users for technical posts.. It seems the people on EVOM cant close their mouth and like to hear themselves talk.
I mean.. An entire thread of BS with very little useful data.. I had to go through 13 pages of **** to see a few dyno sheets that tell me that nothing has been decided, but some WR turbos have proved themselves and some have not.
Someone please close this and put it out of its misery..
We need a section of the forum that is read only to most users for technical posts.. It seems the people on EVOM cant close their mouth and like to hear themselves talk.
I mean.. An entire thread of BS with very little useful data.. I had to go through 13 pages of **** to see a few dyno sheets that tell me that nothing has been decided, but some WR turbos have proved themselves and some have not.
Okay, that is professional. You are Mr. DSM and this is how you act? Remember that butt developed alot of parts for you that you cashed in on! Being up someones as? He is a friend and does great work....as you use to think when you payed him and his work bennifitted you, anyway, my car is slow? It traps mid 126 and that is at 26-27 psi, thats slow to you? Okay?
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
EVOVIIIYOU,
I realize that your head is so far up Tym's back side you can't see anything other than what you want to see, but if you go back and look at what I said about the SAE correction you will find someone else actually stated to run the dyno SAE corrected and I simply was saying, yes that would be the best way to do it. It then came out later that Tym DID actually run the dyno SAE corrected from the beginning. So you facts are screwed. BTW, for an EVO that is built as "great" as yours why exactly is it so slow? You can go climb back into the darkness of that butt now.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I realize that your head is so far up Tym's back side you can't see anything other than what you want to see, but if you go back and look at what I said about the SAE correction you will find someone else actually stated to run the dyno SAE corrected and I simply was saying, yes that would be the best way to do it. It then came out later that Tym DID actually run the dyno SAE corrected from the beginning. So you facts are screwed. BTW, for an EVO that is built as "great" as yours why exactly is it so slow? You can go climb back into the darkness of that butt now.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Hi All A minuet of you time please. -----------
I would have never guessed that my dyno graphs would cause such a stir. Both of those graphs are my car. As for the WR turbo, yes I had higher expectations of HP numbers when I went to retune my car. This in my mind was a good test for the WR turbo because I have changed nothing on my car but adding the WR. The same dyno, and the same tuner.
I can tell you that this is a great street turbo. You hit it at almost any RPM (anything greater than 2500) and you’re gone. It feels as if there is no lag and you run out of street before you realize it. I ran a 7.73 with a 60ft 1.69 @ 90.74 MPH in the 1/8th. I will be back at the track on 7-30-05 to see the difference. You can say what you want about dynos reading different and SAE correction factors and all the shizzle. But the clock is the clock. So I’ll see what the real improvement is where it counts.
I don’t want a dyno queen and a lot of you just want a huge graph to post up (that whole mine is bigger than yours). How many of you have ridden in an AWD car with more than 480 HP? I’ve been in one that had 490, and another that had 590, and lastly one that was pushing 655. They feel so slow on the street because the spool is so long and the HP band is so short. You have 600 HP for like ½ of a second and then shift and start all over again with no power. And forget trying to use 1st gear. In my car it pulls from 3000 to 7800 when I shut down and all the wile you pinned to the seat.
Bottom line is what’s important to you, and big # or a car that pulls forever.
Go Doug!
P.S. If anyone else thinks they can out tune Doug then meet me at Top Speed, donate your time, I’ll pay the dyno time and we can get it on.
I would have never guessed that my dyno graphs would cause such a stir. Both of those graphs are my car. As for the WR turbo, yes I had higher expectations of HP numbers when I went to retune my car. This in my mind was a good test for the WR turbo because I have changed nothing on my car but adding the WR. The same dyno, and the same tuner.
I can tell you that this is a great street turbo. You hit it at almost any RPM (anything greater than 2500) and you’re gone. It feels as if there is no lag and you run out of street before you realize it. I ran a 7.73 with a 60ft 1.69 @ 90.74 MPH in the 1/8th. I will be back at the track on 7-30-05 to see the difference. You can say what you want about dynos reading different and SAE correction factors and all the shizzle. But the clock is the clock. So I’ll see what the real improvement is where it counts.
I don’t want a dyno queen and a lot of you just want a huge graph to post up (that whole mine is bigger than yours). How many of you have ridden in an AWD car with more than 480 HP? I’ve been in one that had 490, and another that had 590, and lastly one that was pushing 655. They feel so slow on the street because the spool is so long and the HP band is so short. You have 600 HP for like ½ of a second and then shift and start all over again with no power. And forget trying to use 1st gear. In my car it pulls from 3000 to 7800 when I shut down and all the wile you pinned to the seat.
Bottom line is what’s important to you, and big # or a car that pulls forever.
Go Doug!
P.S. If anyone else thinks they can out tune Doug then meet me at Top Speed, donate your time, I’ll pay the dyno time and we can get it on.
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From: rancho cucamonga
Originally Posted by titaniumkingpin
my question is,
with 2 years R&D that FP did why is there no results on their side? They made it seem like an awesome bolt on turbo yet no real analysis was given. I don't see it as being wrong at all that other tuners/shops are willing to do the testing that should have been done.
with 2 years R&D that FP did why is there no results on their side? They made it seem like an awesome bolt on turbo yet no real analysis was given. I don't see it as being wrong at all that other tuners/shops are willing to do the testing that should have been done.
FP had to do testing on that turbo.....no doubt about it....if they were hurting in sales, Im sure they would put something up on the site (dyno graphs, 1/4 miles times, etc) that would make you want to buy it, but they dont have to. If they make claims and people dont get those exact results, they start to blame FP when their results are less than FPs, people start to ***** and complain.