Need I remind you to go look at the Switzer sheets where they overlay the stock dyno pulls on top of the WR. Some of you people are just plain silly.

A lot of you guys sound like a bunch of cranky old women.

Do you really think FP would have released a turbo that didn't live up to expectations? Do you think Tym Switzer inflates his dyno numbers? Do you think John Mueller would run a turbo on his car that was inferior to the stock '05 turbo? Do you think you are being silly complaining about a turbo you know nothing about? At least try to behave like an adult, and develop a wait and see attitude.

 

isn't it John Mueller?

 

Yes it is. I had just sent an e-mail to a guy name Robert moments before. Sorry for the brain misfire.

 

My question is this.. I have a friend up north that put down 410awhp with his WR turbo... on race gas.. he has an AEM, it was professionally tuned... yet he put down 30 less whp than switzer.. and he HAS more than their Evo had at the time it put down 440... care to explain this one?? it makes no sense IMO

 

"Professionally tuned" means nothing. Tune it yourself for the conditions at hand. Only then can you get the most out of a setup.

What kind of boost numbers was your friend running? How about Tym? You can run a lot more boost on race gas than you might think, even on these little turbos.

Also, was your friend dynoed on Switzer's dyno? I'm betting not.

Expecting to get the same numbers out of 2 cars with completely different maps, on different dynos, with different boost levels, jesus christ, I'm not even going to bother finishing that thought.

 

Nice attack.. AHEM... :begin rebuttal:
I'm not saying he should hit exact numbers, but rather at least in the same ballpark... he had the wastegate completely shut ... anybody with a brain knows that with race gas in the tank you can advance timing and increase boost... but the fact remains that he still hit 30whp under what they did and his car has MORE than Switzer's car had when it put down 440... from what I've read most rabbit owners are saying that they are very disappointed about what they thought they were getting when they bought them... Switzer can be made or broken in the Evo community with this turbo and honestly... it isn't looking to good from the initial numbers being thrown around :end rebuttal:

 

Perfectly worded. The same turbo on two different cars is going to yield two different #'s. Everybody needs to chill and see what happens in the weeks to follow.

 

Don't look at peak HP, look at the whole curve, then, you'll see the light

 

Huh?? Switzer being made or broke in the community? Hese not the new kid hese THE Old Timer. Much more respected in the aftermarket than self crowned pioneers.
Honestly every other tuner should be questioned at this point for not ballparking his #s. Seems to me he made good power and if its not repeatable over a large sample then we can downgrade the WR. This has nothing to do with individuals it has to do with a turbo. On a side note I suspect vendors have very very little to gain by selling FP products, If its the same hed have to sell 10+ just to buy a turbo outright- Hardly worth risking the farm for

 

I started typing a response to this when I saw this response below


Exactly - you need to dyno before and after on the same dyno on the same car w/ & w/out WR.

 

I stil believe this turbo is going to make some good power. I cannot see Switzer inflating numbers. Everyone knows doing that just backfires on you. We are using this guys 1 car which made bad power as a benchmark of this turbo. Lets wait for some Vishnu cars and some cammed Dynoflash cars to come about. I have the turbo sitting next to me now, and Im waiting to install - but of course, Id like to see some numbers with setups similar to mine.

 

Doubt it. Switzer has been around for a while - haven't heard anything negative except from people that would benefit if he did not do well.

 

Switzer being made or broke in this community? ROFL stop kidding yourself.

 

really ....

 

Evo's are not the only car i tune, there are many diff cars / turbo combinations. To say that bolting in a WR turbo on an evo and having to learn a tuning curve is ridiculous. If you bolt the turbo in and it baselines under 300 whp your in trouble. I dont care what tuner you are your not getting 70whp out of it ..from a tune .. The person's car we had here, i spent numerous hours of my time in dyno'ing the car. Tried everything , flashed it prob 20x's .. and he still thought it was a tune issue. I got news for you .. it wasnt. Keep in mind , i made the same guy 294whp on the stock turbo ..


Mark
Turbotrix