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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 08:40 AM
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Dave, I think you articulated the point I was making pretty well.. For some reason no matter how much discussion there is, people seem to miss the point of the purpose this turbo serves. Once more data is out there, and there are a few people making some 10 second passes on one of these variants, then you'll see people more willing to accept it.

I think many people are just looking for the visual impact of the upgraded turbo, and the dyno sheet they can post all over... I see enough people make the numbers, then within a few months move onto a new project and either part out or sell the car...
Big +1 on that.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MalibuJack
Dave, I think you articulated the point I was making pretty well.. For some reason no matter how much discussion there is, people seem to miss the point of the purpose this turbo serves. Once more data is out there, and there are a few people making some 10 second passes on one of these variants, then you'll see people more willing to accept it.

I think many people are just looking for the visual impact of the upgraded turbo, and the dyno sheet they can post all over... I see enough people make the numbers, then within a few months move onto a new project and either part out or sell the car...
I can't wait to spend my $1000....please please please complete your testing soon and let us know the winner
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 10:00 AM
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Thank you David and Jack! You guys are very informative. I will be in the market for a new turbo in the near future and I am indecisive about which route to take. If price was not a factor then I would probably go for a kit (GT35R- most likely). Unfortunately, I don't have alot of $ so I will probably go for the 20g.

David, I have an 03 EVO with the follow modifications:

3"tb
alky kit
GSC 264/272
HKS drop-in filter
Forge re-circ valve & boost actuator
255 pump
ARP studs
Greddy Profec B spec 1
Custom Dynoflash

If I get the 20g, would you recommend your PORTED AND JET COATED STOCK TURBINE HOUSING & PORTED AND JET COATED EXHAUST MANIFOLD? If I sent you my turbo, manifold and o2 would you put together that combo for me? I will also want your intake system, so, how much would that cost me roughly? And are you doing flashes on the stock ECU?

Thank you, Dave R.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 10:39 AM
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The porting gains some power when you do all three pieces, the ceramic coating helps with under hood temps and the UGLY rust from the hood grille. I would recommend both, I like the coating is for nothing else, looks.

Yes, I can do all three pieces for you.

All three ported/coated parts will run you $525 if you send yours in. The intake pipe is $200, filter is $80, if you buy the set it is $250.

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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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Although I'm using a header and stainless O2 housing on my car, if I had to do it over, I would go with the ported stock manifold and O2 housing.. just my .02
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MalibuJack
Although I'm using a header and stainless O2 housing on my car, if I had to do it over, I would go with the ported stock manifold and O2 housing.. just my .02
Reliabilitywise I agree. Power wise no.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 12:07 PM
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I would too...no gains seen on tubular manifolds on the stock turbo. The stock ex manifold is a good piece, even better when ported a bit.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 12:13 PM
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Reliabilitywise I agree. Power wise no.
Agreed, Since my personal priority has been biased towards reliability, this was the reason for my answer.. When most people ask I definitely say to stick with cast exhaust manifold ported/coated on a daily driver.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 12:34 PM
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Well, when colder weather hits we'll see what my car can do on the dyno. I have the ported/coated Buschur mani, a WR (ported and coated exhuast housing), and a coated Works 3" 02 housing. I have not yet installed the upgraded actuator from FP. This turbo seems to shine on higher octane (made similar numbers to a cammed car with test pipe). We'll see what the actuator does once I install it.

And yes, I'm very happy with the FP WR, my WOrks 02 HFC & Downpipe, My RNR catback, my Vishnu tuning, and my Buschur exhaust mani. See, tuners can get along
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
The porting gains some power when you do all three pieces, the ceramic coating helps with under hood temps and the UGLY rust from the hood grille. I would recommend both, I like the coating is for nothing else, looks.

Yes, I can do all three pieces for you.

All three ported/coated parts will run you $525 if you send yours in. The intake pipe is $200, filter is $80, if you buy the set it is $250.

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All three pieces would be 1. manifiold 2. O2 3. turbo?
Then $800 for 20g
And $250 for intake?

Total $1575

So you woud coat the and assemble the 20g for me if I sent in all 3 pieces?
Also, would you suggest Al to do the flash or could you?
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 12:39 PM
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Al does all the flashes for Dave. Dave plays with the AEM
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by eve-slow
All three pieces would be 1. manifiold 2. O2 3. turbo?
Then $800 for 20g
And $250 for intake?

Total $1575

So you woud coat the and assemble the 20g for me if I sent in all 3 pieces?
Also, would you suggest Al to do the flash or could you?
The O2 housing don't look as if it can be ported out much. Wouldn't it be better if you port and coat the exhaust manifold + 10.5T and buy a SS O2 housing to go along with them?

Btw, how much power are we talking abt for the porting and coating?
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 09:27 PM
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I am getting ready to buy a stock turbo replacement...which is the better turbo. one that starts to make boost like the stock from 3k on, and one holds it to redline. Which one makes more power, if both of the above are equal? Any ideas?
What are your goals?, what is going on with your turbo?, is it that bad?. The 05 EVO8 turbos are running great, some people already in the 11's with simple bolt ons. Many people trapping 113-115MPH before the alcohol kit.

If you are not satisfy with the turbo you must try this before you give up:

3"tb
headers
bigger 02housing
air filter
boost controller
ic pipes
Alcohol kit

Any of the parts mentioned above will enhance your turbo performance significantly.

Last but not least, there is another choice I already investigated, Forced Performance could custom make your turbo to a 20g with Titanium wheels for less than a grand.

This option is a good option because you have better spool up and more top end.
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
What are your goals?, what is going on with your turbo?, is it that bad?. The 05 EVO8 turbos are running great, some people already in the 11's with simple bolt ons. Many people trapping 113-115MPH before the alcohol kit.

If you are not satisfy with the turbo you must try this before you give up:

3"tb
headers
bigger 02housing
air filter
boost controller
ic pipes
Alcohol kit

Any of the parts mentioned above will enhance your turbo performance significantly.

Last but not least, there is another choice I already investigated, Forced Performance could custom make your turbo to a 20g with Titanium wheels for less than a grand.

This option is a good option because you have better spool up and more top end.
My goal is to have close to 400 whp by only give up a bit on the start of the spool+ get great hp and tq thru the revband. My stock turbo is fine, but I blew the gasket on the header where it connects to the turbo creating boost leak. I am the kind of person that when somthing breaks or wears out I like to upgrade. I was going to go w/ just a bigger o2 housing and leave it at that, but I guess that just wasn't enough for me.
NOS or AC kits are not for me, they seem like artificial horsepower that only happens when you flip a magic swich, or push a magic button...I like constant horsepower and touque w/o re-filling my power. I have all the upgrades you listed and more! I crave speed and power . Your last suggestion seems to be the best for me

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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 11:44 AM
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i'm only commenting so that i can subscribe to this thread, as i've found it to be very beneficial

regardless i appreciate hearing everyone's opinion

on a side note that I know no one will care about: when i had a powerful mr2 turbo, i knew making safe power was all about increasing the airflow, not just pushing big turbos =) so for those who intend on just buying a big turbo kit , bolting on and getting the few supporting mods that are necessary, read up a bit more imo
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