which is better the white rabbit or the 20g
Originally Posted by Ozzmosis
That's all tuning, not the turbo or the kit. The RNR/AMS kits do just fine.
the difference between the stock turbo and any ANY ANY ANY aftermarket turbo is 1000 rpms of lag. gimme ANY stock turbo and ANY aftermarket turbo and that is apparently the case.
according to br, vishnu, and everyone else's personal experiences, garrett turbos spool at 4000 (and apparently it doesn't matter if it's a 3071 3076 or gt35, every garret turbo spools at 4000, ridiculous isn't it? yeah i think so but that's what i keep freakin' hearin', that it "doesn't matter" just "go with the gt35" "that's the only turbo i'd ever put on this car" "that's the only turbo that's worth it"). stock turbos can have full spool at well below 3500, depending on your setup maybe even sub 3000.
that is the difference, that's why these turbochargers are here, that's why NO ONE understands, cuz in the end... there IS NO CHOICE, it's get a "big" turbo or stay stock. all the big turbos... what's the damn fuss about? as if any of them are even different, in the end it's just about support, who's *** you wanna kiss, who's your friend, what your friend is running, what company did this time and you wanna be just like them.
MAYBE just MAYBE the 30 series turbos DO spool faster than the gt35... then in that case... you have a marginal choice, make more than 550hp or just up to 550 hp.
i'm tired of reading mj's posts about defending the stocker on and how no one listens to anything. maybe it's just that the vendors need to be all about numbers so people buy from them. all about peak, gotta go big. i think i'm one of few people that is absolutely disgusted by the thought of a bigger turbine... WHY? WHY would i want that? so i can lose torque AND spool? WHYYYY would i EEEEVER wanna do THAT?
the small turbine is there so you can spool fast and produce torque... anyone ever notice that hardcore modded 9.8s almost ALWAYS produce more torque than hp? anyone notice that the 10.5s usually produce the SAME torque and hp and then when you get real hardcore lil less torque than hp but everything overlyall higher than the 9.8?
anyone notice (and this is a given) that all the big turbos don't make as much torque as hp? does anyone think this ratio is important? yeah cuz uhm... the gt35 makes more torque at 3000 rpms or something than the stock turbo does... uhm... anyone care to try and use that torque at that rpm?
sorry about the flusteration... at least now there is more talk about hte 3071... always knew that was a winner... and maybe there is a difference in spool for all the turbos.........
according to br, vishnu, and everyone else's personal experiences, garrett turbos spool at 4000 (and apparently it doesn't matter if it's a 3071 3076 or gt35, every garret turbo spools at 4000, ridiculous isn't it? yeah i think so but that's what i keep freakin' hearin', that it "doesn't matter" just "go with the gt35" "that's the only turbo i'd ever put on this car" "that's the only turbo that's worth it"). stock turbos can have full spool at well below 3500, depending on your setup maybe even sub 3000.
that is the difference, that's why these turbochargers are here, that's why NO ONE understands, cuz in the end... there IS NO CHOICE, it's get a "big" turbo or stay stock. all the big turbos... what's the damn fuss about? as if any of them are even different, in the end it's just about support, who's *** you wanna kiss, who's your friend, what your friend is running, what company did this time and you wanna be just like them.
MAYBE just MAYBE the 30 series turbos DO spool faster than the gt35... then in that case... you have a marginal choice, make more than 550hp or just up to 550 hp.
i'm tired of reading mj's posts about defending the stocker on and how no one listens to anything. maybe it's just that the vendors need to be all about numbers so people buy from them. all about peak, gotta go big. i think i'm one of few people that is absolutely disgusted by the thought of a bigger turbine... WHY? WHY would i want that? so i can lose torque AND spool? WHYYYY would i EEEEVER wanna do THAT?
the small turbine is there so you can spool fast and produce torque... anyone ever notice that hardcore modded 9.8s almost ALWAYS produce more torque than hp? anyone notice that the 10.5s usually produce the SAME torque and hp and then when you get real hardcore lil less torque than hp but everything overlyall higher than the 9.8?
anyone notice (and this is a given) that all the big turbos don't make as much torque as hp? does anyone think this ratio is important? yeah cuz uhm... the gt35 makes more torque at 3000 rpms or something than the stock turbo does... uhm... anyone care to try and use that torque at that rpm?
sorry about the flusteration... at least now there is more talk about hte 3071... always knew that was a winner... and maybe there is a difference in spool for all the turbos.........
Last edited by trinydex; Sep 28, 2005 at 12:50 PM.
wr vs. 20g. vs kit
Originally Posted by trinydex
the difference between the stock turbo and any ANY ANY ANY aftermarket turbo is 1000 rpms of lag. gimme ANY stock turbo and ANY aftermarket turbo and that is apparently the case.
changed title
Originally Posted by eve-slow
WOW! I thought this thread was called "which is better the white rabbit or the 20g "!?
how does the 20g compare to the 3071 throughout th rev band? these two turbos seems pretty similar powerwise, but is there an advantage of one over the other? would the 3071 beat the 20g on the top end?
trinydex,
i like your post. i have seen the same thing on the board about the various turbo kits. i have been trying to decide on a kit for over 3 months now. everytime i decide on a kit, i see someone post why that kit should not be used, most of the time its tuners that say it. i have been on and off about the 3076 as the best pump and alky turbo, then i was told the 3071 is a better option, and of coarse everyone can quickly recommend the 35r.
my situation is tough because i live in an area that is over 6000ft above sea level. some people say the 35r could work if set up right, but im not sure if i want to take a risk. local people have seen full boost at 4500rpm in 3rd gear on a 3076. i want the best performance i can get at this elevation on pump and alky. i have researched over and over and still cant come to a conclusion.
trinydex,
i like your post. i have seen the same thing on the board about the various turbo kits. i have been trying to decide on a kit for over 3 months now. everytime i decide on a kit, i see someone post why that kit should not be used, most of the time its tuners that say it. i have been on and off about the 3076 as the best pump and alky turbo, then i was told the 3071 is a better option, and of coarse everyone can quickly recommend the 35r.
my situation is tough because i live in an area that is over 6000ft above sea level. some people say the 35r could work if set up right, but im not sure if i want to take a risk. local people have seen full boost at 4500rpm in 3rd gear on a 3076. i want the best performance i can get at this elevation on pump and alky. i have researched over and over and still cant come to a conclusion.
[QUOTE=TwStDeVo]how does the 20g compare to the 3071 throughout th rev band? these two turbos seems pretty similar powerwise, but is there an advantage of one over the other? would the 3071 beat the 20g on the top end?
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The 20 g compares to the white rabbit...stock turbos with a larger hot side and a modified turbine wheel. any garret turbo is a full ball bearing a little slower spool up, but able to effortlessly boost to 28 psi and pull to redline...I don't know about you but my stock turbo reached it's peak hp at 5500 rpm...
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The 20 g compares to the white rabbit...stock turbos with a larger hot side and a modified turbine wheel. any garret turbo is a full ball bearing a little slower spool up, but able to effortlessly boost to 28 psi and pull to redline...I don't know about you but my stock turbo reached it's peak hp at 5500 rpm...
Originally Posted by TwStDeVo
how does the 20g compare to the 3071 throughout th rev band? these two turbos seems pretty similar powerwise, but is there an advantage of one over the other? would the 3071 beat the 20g on the top end?
trinydex,
i like your post. i have seen the same thing on the board about the various turbo kits. i have been trying to decide on a kit for over 3 months now. everytime i decide on a kit, i see someone post why that kit should not be used, most of the time its tuners that say it. i have been on and off about the 3076 as the best pump and alky turbo, then i was told the 3071 is a better option, and of coarse everyone can quickly recommend the 35r.
my situation is tough because i live in an area that is over 6000ft above sea level. some people say the 35r could work if set up right, but im not sure if i want to take a risk. local people have seen full boost at 4500rpm in 3rd gear on a 3076. i want the best performance i can get at this elevation on pump and alky. i have researched over and over and still cant come to a conclusion.
trinydex,
i like your post. i have seen the same thing on the board about the various turbo kits. i have been trying to decide on a kit for over 3 months now. everytime i decide on a kit, i see someone post why that kit should not be used, most of the time its tuners that say it. i have been on and off about the 3076 as the best pump and alky turbo, then i was told the 3071 is a better option, and of coarse everyone can quickly recommend the 35r.
my situation is tough because i live in an area that is over 6000ft above sea level. some people say the 35r could work if set up right, but im not sure if i want to take a risk. local people have seen full boost at 4500rpm in 3rd gear on a 3076. i want the best performance i can get at this elevation on pump and alky. i have researched over and over and still cant come to a conclusion.
and of course what cnoevo said
tynedex,
Why are so negative? If you quote me quote me correctly too.
The stock turbo will outspool any other aftermarket turbo kit I have seen by a huge amount. I recommend that just about everyone stays with the stock turbo.
The 20G is extremely close to the spool up of the stock turbo but will definetely hold more boost to redline.
The GT3071 spools up nicely but is laggier than the stock turbo by probably 1,000-1500 rpm, peak power I have made on our dyno on 93/alky mix is 351 whp. On straight race gas in my car, with more mods, I have made 361 with the 20G. GT3071 is more linear.
The GT3076 I haven't had on our dyno, the only dyno I have had it on is Pruven's. I could only make 450'ish (can't remember now) on C16 and pushing the turbo to 30 psi. The spool up difference between this turbo and GT35R aren't enough to justify not using a GT35R. The 3076 is another 500-700 laggier than the GT3071 I am guessing and probably 1,000 sooner than a GT35R, still not worth not using a GT35R in my opnion. I am even exagerating the numbers to STILL say it isn't worth the difference.
As far as I am concerned if you are going to take away the low end response and neck snapping boost that the stock turbo or a 20G will give you then you may was well do it with a turbo that is going to be able to put out 600 whp (depending on the dyno). That is my point to saying go with a GT35r.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Why are so negative? If you quote me quote me correctly too.
The stock turbo will outspool any other aftermarket turbo kit I have seen by a huge amount. I recommend that just about everyone stays with the stock turbo.
The 20G is extremely close to the spool up of the stock turbo but will definetely hold more boost to redline.
The GT3071 spools up nicely but is laggier than the stock turbo by probably 1,000-1500 rpm, peak power I have made on our dyno on 93/alky mix is 351 whp. On straight race gas in my car, with more mods, I have made 361 with the 20G. GT3071 is more linear.
The GT3076 I haven't had on our dyno, the only dyno I have had it on is Pruven's. I could only make 450'ish (can't remember now) on C16 and pushing the turbo to 30 psi. The spool up difference between this turbo and GT35R aren't enough to justify not using a GT35R. The 3076 is another 500-700 laggier than the GT3071 I am guessing and probably 1,000 sooner than a GT35R, still not worth not using a GT35R in my opnion. I am even exagerating the numbers to STILL say it isn't worth the difference.
As far as I am concerned if you are going to take away the low end response and neck snapping boost that the stock turbo or a 20G will give you then you may was well do it with a turbo that is going to be able to put out 600 whp (depending on the dyno). That is my point to saying go with a GT35r.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
The GT3071 spools up nicely but is laggier than the stock turbo by probably 1,000-1500 rpm, peak power I have made on our dyno on 93/alky mix is 351 whp. On straight race gas in my car, with more mods, I have made 361 with the 20G. GT3071 is more linear.
www.buschurracing.com
What type of mods were done on this particular vehicle?
The number seems a bit low to me.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
tynedex,
Why are so negative? If you quote me quote me correctly too.
The stock turbo will outspool any other aftermarket turbo kit I have seen by a huge amount. I recommend that just about everyone stays with the stock turbo.
The 20G is extremely close to the spool up of the stock turbo but will definetely hold more boost to redline.
The GT3071 spools up nicely but is laggier than the stock turbo by probably 1,000-1500 rpm, peak power I have made on our dyno on 93/alky mix is 351 whp. On straight race gas in my car, with more mods, I have made 361 with the 20G. GT3071 is more linear.
The GT3076 I haven't had on our dyno, the only dyno I have had it on is Pruven's. I could only make 450'ish (can't remember now) on C16 and pushing the turbo to 30 psi. The spool up difference between this turbo and GT35R aren't enough to justify not using a GT35R. The 3076 is another 500-700 laggier than the GT3071 I am guessing and probably 1,000 sooner than a GT35R, still not worth not using a GT35R in my opnion. I am even exagerating the numbers to STILL say it isn't worth the difference.
As far as I am concerned if you are going to take away the low end response and neck snapping boost that the stock turbo or a 20G will give you then you may was well do it with a turbo that is going to be able to put out 600 whp (depending on the dyno). That is my point to saying go with a GT35r.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Why are so negative? If you quote me quote me correctly too.
The stock turbo will outspool any other aftermarket turbo kit I have seen by a huge amount. I recommend that just about everyone stays with the stock turbo.
The 20G is extremely close to the spool up of the stock turbo but will definetely hold more boost to redline.
The GT3071 spools up nicely but is laggier than the stock turbo by probably 1,000-1500 rpm, peak power I have made on our dyno on 93/alky mix is 351 whp. On straight race gas in my car, with more mods, I have made 361 with the 20G. GT3071 is more linear.
The GT3076 I haven't had on our dyno, the only dyno I have had it on is Pruven's. I could only make 450'ish (can't remember now) on C16 and pushing the turbo to 30 psi. The spool up difference between this turbo and GT35R aren't enough to justify not using a GT35R. The 3076 is another 500-700 laggier than the GT3071 I am guessing and probably 1,000 sooner than a GT35R, still not worth not using a GT35R in my opnion. I am even exagerating the numbers to STILL say it isn't worth the difference.
As far as I am concerned if you are going to take away the low end response and neck snapping boost that the stock turbo or a 20G will give you then you may was well do it with a turbo that is going to be able to put out 600 whp (depending on the dyno). That is my point to saying go with a GT35r.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I have not found good results on the 3076
IMHO its almost as laggy as the Gt35R when the 35 is properly set up and its about 120 whp less power
For someone going to bolt on a whole aftermarket turbo set up my ONLY choice would be the Gt35
The WR or 20G make more sense for those seeking mild power gains with stock like spool up
The WR is a bit faster spooling and not as powerful as the 20G (but more powerful than stock) without any surge
The 20g spools a bit later but makes a lot more power with mild surge
IMHO its almost as laggy as the Gt35R when the 35 is properly set up and its about 120 whp less power
For someone going to bolt on a whole aftermarket turbo set up my ONLY choice would be the Gt35
The WR or 20G make more sense for those seeking mild power gains with stock like spool up
The WR is a bit faster spooling and not as powerful as the 20G (but more powerful than stock) without any surge
The 20g spools a bit later but makes a lot more power with mild surge
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Here is some input for you guys.
Watch for some pictures of our new kit sometime this week on EVOM. I have a kit I just finished on an MR here that is going on the dyno early this week. This new kit is nothing short of AWESOME!
Manifold vs. header. I sent one of my turbo kits out to a friend/shop of mine to do some testing on his AWD dyno. It was our GT35R kit. He made some numbers with it, back then it was only about 530 I think. We were both puzzled as to why the numbers were so low. Started swapping parts out and changed the turbine housing from the OLD Mitsubishi style internally gated housing to the T3 housing. The car instantly gained 90+ whp. This brought the turbo up into the 620 whp range on an AWD Dynojet. Then he wanted to get rid of my manifold and see what a header would do. I sent him an equal length header for the kit and he dyno'd it again. The results were surprising, no HP gains up top and a loss of power through the midrange. So much for the header being superior.
Next, there are a couple different GT30's out there. The GT3076 is the largest. That is what we have used and in my opinion the difference in spool up between the GT3076 andthe GT35R isn't large enough to justify using the GT3076, you may as well go with the GT35R and have the potential for 600+ whp(Dynojet).
On our old dyno (2WD DYnojet) we made 622 whp on a 2.2 liter GT35R car at 30 psi. With a 2.0 liter GT35R car it took us 35 psi to make 633 whp. Exact same set ups other than the stroker vs 2.0.
On our new Mustang Dyno the numbers are MUCH lower. That same GT35R 2 liter car now has a stroker engine in it and is much faster than it was (seat of the pants). It now makes only 535 whp on our new dyno.
Our new black car we built. Had our complete Stage 4, AEM EMS, fuel cell etc. Also has our newest GT35R turbo kit on it. Runs our cast manifold, custom turbine housing, Tial 44 mm external gate, just like the kit we sell. The car has gone 10.3 at 141 mph. The car is at the chassis shop having a cage put in it now. When we get it back and make a gear ratio change (back to stock gears) I think you will see some new times out of the car that are even faster. This is a CAST manifold.
The car I am testing this week has our new kit, like I said, it is a GT3071. I am expecting great things from this turbo kit in both spool up and power. I am only tuning the car on straight 93 octane, per the wishes of the customer.
This week I tuned two other EVO's with our kits on them. These were the original kits we sold with the OLD style Mitsubishi internally gated housings on them. One was a BR440 kit with 93 octane and alky, it made 340 whp. The other was the BR500 kit with 110 and alky and it made 397 whp.
To give you some perspective on our dyno numbers VS. 1/4 mile time/trap speed....the black car only made 530 whp and ran 10.3 at 141 mph. My RS only made 340 whp and ran 120 mph trap speeds. Couple of customers made in the 400 whp range and ran 125 mph trap speeds.
Funny looking at those numbers as 340=120, a gain of 5 more MPH equals 400 or 60 more whp and another gain of 16 mph is 530 or 130 whp. Fairly close to be inline with 10 whp=1 mph. The 141 mph car is lighter by quite a bit than the other cars though, so that blows the 10 whp+1 mph. (Sorry thinking out loud
Watch for the new pictures and results of this GT3071 kit. I don't think there is a better priced or better built kit on the market. Very pleased with fit, finish, appearance and performance of these new kits.
Kit includes:
Cast ceramic coated manifold
GT series turbo GT3071, 3076 or GT35R
Special turbine housing with integrated wastegate port for external gate
Tial 44 mm external wastegate
Dump tube OR dump back into 02 housing
02 housing
Oil line, feed and return kit
New engine fan
The kits should be priced at $3,000 or maybe slightly under. I am doing all I can to drop the pricing and get these kits setting new records all over the place.
I am waiting on our latest run of manifolds, they are again running behind at the foundry but I am hoping for this week or next.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Watch for some pictures of our new kit sometime this week on EVOM. I have a kit I just finished on an MR here that is going on the dyno early this week. This new kit is nothing short of AWESOME!
Manifold vs. header. I sent one of my turbo kits out to a friend/shop of mine to do some testing on his AWD dyno. It was our GT35R kit. He made some numbers with it, back then it was only about 530 I think. We were both puzzled as to why the numbers were so low. Started swapping parts out and changed the turbine housing from the OLD Mitsubishi style internally gated housing to the T3 housing. The car instantly gained 90+ whp. This brought the turbo up into the 620 whp range on an AWD Dynojet. Then he wanted to get rid of my manifold and see what a header would do. I sent him an equal length header for the kit and he dyno'd it again. The results were surprising, no HP gains up top and a loss of power through the midrange. So much for the header being superior.
Next, there are a couple different GT30's out there. The GT3076 is the largest. That is what we have used and in my opinion the difference in spool up between the GT3076 andthe GT35R isn't large enough to justify using the GT3076, you may as well go with the GT35R and have the potential for 600+ whp(Dynojet).
On our old dyno (2WD DYnojet) we made 622 whp on a 2.2 liter GT35R car at 30 psi. With a 2.0 liter GT35R car it took us 35 psi to make 633 whp. Exact same set ups other than the stroker vs 2.0.
On our new Mustang Dyno the numbers are MUCH lower. That same GT35R 2 liter car now has a stroker engine in it and is much faster than it was (seat of the pants). It now makes only 535 whp on our new dyno.
Our new black car we built. Had our complete Stage 4, AEM EMS, fuel cell etc. Also has our newest GT35R turbo kit on it. Runs our cast manifold, custom turbine housing, Tial 44 mm external gate, just like the kit we sell. The car has gone 10.3 at 141 mph. The car is at the chassis shop having a cage put in it now. When we get it back and make a gear ratio change (back to stock gears) I think you will see some new times out of the car that are even faster. This is a CAST manifold.
The car I am testing this week has our new kit, like I said, it is a GT3071. I am expecting great things from this turbo kit in both spool up and power. I am only tuning the car on straight 93 octane, per the wishes of the customer.
This week I tuned two other EVO's with our kits on them. These were the original kits we sold with the OLD style Mitsubishi internally gated housings on them. One was a BR440 kit with 93 octane and alky, it made 340 whp. The other was the BR500 kit with 110 and alky and it made 397 whp.
To give you some perspective on our dyno numbers VS. 1/4 mile time/trap speed....the black car only made 530 whp and ran 10.3 at 141 mph. My RS only made 340 whp and ran 120 mph trap speeds. Couple of customers made in the 400 whp range and ran 125 mph trap speeds.
Funny looking at those numbers as 340=120, a gain of 5 more MPH equals 400 or 60 more whp and another gain of 16 mph is 530 or 130 whp. Fairly close to be inline with 10 whp=1 mph. The 141 mph car is lighter by quite a bit than the other cars though, so that blows the 10 whp+1 mph. (Sorry thinking out loud
Watch for the new pictures and results of this GT3071 kit. I don't think there is a better priced or better built kit on the market. Very pleased with fit, finish, appearance and performance of these new kits.
Kit includes:
Cast ceramic coated manifold
GT series turbo GT3071, 3076 or GT35R
Special turbine housing with integrated wastegate port for external gate
Tial 44 mm external wastegate
Dump tube OR dump back into 02 housing
02 housing
Oil line, feed and return kit
New engine fan
The kits should be priced at $3,000 or maybe slightly under. I am doing all I can to drop the pricing and get these kits setting new records all over the place.
I am waiting on our latest run of manifolds, they are again running behind at the foundry but I am hoping for this week or next.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
The 3071 spools about 800-1000rpm later than the stock turbo during a fourth gear, 2000rpm and up roll-on on the road. This is with a cat. Without a cat, I'd expect those numbers to drop by 200rpm or so. If anyone thinks that this turbo is capable of spooling early than the stock twin scroll 16g, I'd urge them to consider otherwise. The advantage of this turbo is that it appears to be a wonderfully exploitable pump gas set-up. Going bigger on the turbo, on pump gas, will not result in any more power. Just more lag. For instance, this set up is making the same power as the tubular header'd GT35R made on the same car (but with a severely upgraded head). Oh yeah, it also makes instant boost whenever your above 3500rpm.
my 2c,
shiv
my 2c,
shiv
you might be able to see from the above posts that NO turbo is ANY good... and that is just sucky. now with all this crap out there i'm tossed up about it all again. maybe i'll just get a port and polished tme with a 9 coldside.
Last edited by trinydex; Sep 29, 2005 at 12:34 PM.
I have alot of respect for David, So please no one take this the wrong way.
With a modded stock turbo Evo we have managed 350WHP on the Mustang Dyno. No alky.
With alky 407WHP.
The 3071 on the SAME car, at only 21psi the car made 390WHP.
Have not tested the alky yet on that particular vehicle. The stock turbo was at 28 psi and tapering down to 23.
I have been very impressed with the 3071 and it will surely get the car in the 10's.
Also let me add that this is with our custom made manifold and kit. I cannot comment on ANYONE elses kit, just to clarify.
Not that it is better than a GT35r but, for the street this turbo really performs.
BUT LET ME SAY THIS VERY CLEARLY, I have not tested the 20G. BUT david has. He wouldn't market anything without truely doing everything he can to fully R&D this turbo. If he says that it can hold boost and make power it is good enough for me. Also let me note that if a stock turbo with the right tune on race gas can go 10's so can the 20g easily with the information Dave has given.
To each their own, I just prefer the rush I feel all the way to 9000rpm with the 3071. It doesn't fall at all, so I will only comment on that.
My 2 cents.
With a modded stock turbo Evo we have managed 350WHP on the Mustang Dyno. No alky.
With alky 407WHP.
The 3071 on the SAME car, at only 21psi the car made 390WHP.
Have not tested the alky yet on that particular vehicle. The stock turbo was at 28 psi and tapering down to 23.
I have been very impressed with the 3071 and it will surely get the car in the 10's.
Also let me add that this is with our custom made manifold and kit. I cannot comment on ANYONE elses kit, just to clarify.
Not that it is better than a GT35r but, for the street this turbo really performs.
BUT LET ME SAY THIS VERY CLEARLY, I have not tested the 20G. BUT david has. He wouldn't market anything without truely doing everything he can to fully R&D this turbo. If he says that it can hold boost and make power it is good enough for me. Also let me note that if a stock turbo with the right tune on race gas can go 10's so can the 20g easily with the information Dave has given.
To each their own, I just prefer the rush I feel all the way to 9000rpm with the 3071. It doesn't fall at all, so I will only comment on that.
My 2 cents.
Last edited by Precision Dyno; Sep 29, 2005 at 06:07 PM.
The EVO that the turbo made 361 on was mine. Our Stage 4, 280 cams, 680 injectors, Stg 3 shortblock, Stg 3 head, no cat, AEM EMS.
Precision Dyno,
Remember when we are talking dyno numbers, I have not messed with my roll weight. Thanks for the compliments in your post.
A stock 2005 MR on our dyno will only make max 215 whp. My car is up 146 whp from a stock EVO on our dyno. Maybe that puts the number into better perspective. I don't know.
Our old dyno a stock 2003 would dyno between 235 and 256. Add 146 to that and 402 is what comes up.
With a few less pounds of boost the car ran 11.3 at 120 mph.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Precision Dyno,
Remember when we are talking dyno numbers, I have not messed with my roll weight. Thanks for the compliments in your post.
A stock 2005 MR on our dyno will only make max 215 whp. My car is up 146 whp from a stock EVO on our dyno. Maybe that puts the number into better perspective. I don't know.
Our old dyno a stock 2003 would dyno between 235 and 256. Add 146 to that and 402 is what comes up.
With a few less pounds of boost the car ran 11.3 at 120 mph.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Oh, forget the above post. We have figured out the dyno and I should have written my response that way. There is an 18% difference between our MD AWD Dyno and our old Dynojet. Doing the math this way my car would be putting down 425.98 whp. Knowing most other MD owners have changed their dyno's around to better match Dynojets this will put this into perspective as well as the times the car has posted.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com