Ah ok. But isn't that what EVO 8s make on that same dyno? 9s should be a lot stronger from what I and others have seen.

-shiv

 

Hey Al, from your findings so far, whats playing the major role for the big hp differece betweent the 05's and 06's? Is it the MIVEC? Turbo? Both MIVEC and turbo? Im curious to see why the IXs are making so much more than the VIII's.Thanks

 

Good observation - the IX cars are going to start to make a LOT more power than comparable 2003 evos as the IX's start to get more modifications


The IX has the ptential is easily break all previous dyno and track records set by the VIII

 

Turbo

The MIVEC is helping a lot with the off boost driveility and feel but it is not a significant power adder

The turbo its self is the huge advantage

That and the more functional and powerful ecu

Its basically the best car I have driven

 

In time with a larger sample pool greater genrealizations can be drawn

ALL I can tell you is that at Buschur Racing the dyno figures are all 100% done honestly and accurately

 

I envy you then We've been the highest volume ecutek tuner in North America for the last 4 years and I have run into more oddities/complications with EVO 9 mapping in the last 3 days than I have ever seen the several hundred Stis we've tuned in house over the last 2 years. I have 3 pages of notes to send to the Ecutek guys since some of the tables are misleading and ambiguously labeled. There's a reason why help menus are currently missing on 90 of the tables

-shiv

 

I wanted to add that I really love these IX evos. Whne I got out of the car after testing it I could not stop laughing. Its a real fun car to drive. I am seriously thinking to trade up my VIII to a IX. A huge Evolution in a positive direction for .

 

thats the only reason I believe these great numbers the fact that they were done at BR

 

You keep lumping all the VIIIs together without distinguishing between the 03/04s and 05s. The 05s already made about 20 more whp than the 03/04s on average. For IXs to make another 25whp on top of an 05 would be incredible...that would be 270whp on a Dynojet, which has been claimed a few times, but hasn't been proven enough on other dynos or at the track to yet be claimed as the standard. In due time perhaps...

 

Well Shiv - feel free to give me a call if you need any tech support on the IX mapping. I have nopt found any problems figuring it all out. After mapping the hexidecimal code on the evo viii's in mighty map for two years the Ecutek seems very user friendly to me.

 

See post #20: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=170365&page=2

For the most part, I've only seen a 5-15whp difference between 03s and 04s. 03/04s seem to dyno in at 200-205whp and 05s tend to be in the 210-215whp range. But we're seeing the IX to be 20whp stronger than the 05s. And from what I'm hearing from other stops, this is typical. Maybe we're dealing with random outliners as I thought when we first heard about the first results. But as we are seeing more and more dyno results come down the pipeline, I can't help but think that is the norm and that the IX is really that bad ***.

-shiv

 

Hey Al, why dont Buschur get the MD team to come in and calibrate their dyno to make it read CLOSE to the other MDs other there

 

Well, im coming to the conclusion that after Evo IX owners upgrade their turbos, they will be in almost the same boat as the 05's with the exception of MIVEC for better spool and low to midrange power. Am i correct or partially correct?

 

Why in the world would they do that? That's a ridiculous suggestion, imo. Why don't all the other MDs in the country go back to base settings, so that they ALL SHOW THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS? There are so many MDs out there with tampered settings that it's not even funny. The simple fact remains that it doesn't matter what the actual number is, but rather the comparative numbers (compare between cars on the same dyno, or compare the same car on the same dyno before/after mods). The other major comparison is dyno numbers vs trap speeds, which Buschur customers are good for, because many of them actually race their car in addition to dyno'ing it, unlike many others places that won't be named.

Oh, btw, one good example of the "trap speed rule" would be a 111mph trap on a 345whp MD reading. I trap 109mph with 294whp on a Dynojet with pump gas, then trap 113 on race gas. I would be nowhere near 345 on a MD and most likely lower than 345 on a Dynojet. On Buschur's MD, I'd probably be around 280...

 

I agree with you on this.

I see no reaon for Buschur to get into the idiotic numbers game which mean nothing

With the Buschur dyno set ONE way - those who tune on it can get a good idea of where they stand

For example the two IX evos I flashed there yesterday had these as base numbers

BR330 - 210 whp 208 tq

BR350 - 203.8 whp 201 tq


From what I gather some 2003 stock evos dyno in the 190 range on that dyno

The post tuning numbres with the minimal mods on those BR packages and only factory ecu boost controll show some decent gains

BR330 - 271.7 whp 266 tq (NOTE * With off road pipe added)

BR350 - 268.9 whp 259 tq


NOTE - what really matters with any dyno is ONLY TWO THINGS

1 - How accurate is the load reference to real world operational environment - in other words how close is the tune from the dyno to the road. The Buschur Mustang dyno is the closest I have seen. In fact on my own car after it was tuned on the BR dyno it went to the track and went 10.01 right off thr trailer with a perfect a.f and zero knock.

2 - How good is the resolution to measure changes in power ? This is the dyno's ability to show power gains and losses from tuning adjustments. If the dyno is accurate and repeatable it can be used to measure how to make more power on a particular car.

Those who use dynos only to get "numbers" which are both totally useless and misleading are just wasting time.

It has always been a waste of time to compare numbers from one dyno to the other.

This is paricularly the case when we hear of stories where dyno resuts can be falsified and manipulated on certain dynos by altering the settings or moving sesnors to hot areas.

ANY mustang dyno which has been changed from factory calibration settings becomes totally useless to draw any credable data from.

I like the Buschur dyno even thought it reads low as i know everythime I go there I have a constant yard stick to measure the results against.