Buschur BR330 IX dyno results
Originally Posted by EVIL_EVO_VIII
Well, im coming to the conclusion that after Evo IX owners upgrade their turbos, they will be in almost the same boat as the 05's with the exception of MIVEC for better spool and low to midrange power. Am i correct or partially correct?
I know that a cat makes a difference. But why with only a off-road pipe added can the 330 be more than a 350. I was just wondering also. What kind of mark up is to be expected on the Br-Series. I know its probably worth it with the warranty still in tact. But really haven't seen any real prices. If someone knows and I don't think anyone wants them posted. Could they just pm it to me
hold your horses....your are reading too deep into my simple question. Maybe i should have state it in another way: MD should make their dyno tampering proof so that #s off it will be consistant on every individual MD out there. Sorta like a NIST calibration. Thats all i was asking, plain and simple damn, almost got my head chewed off for that!
Also you always do a baseline, a benchmark before anymore critical sorta measurement is done. So there is a before/after result.
damn, almost got my head chewed off for that!Also you always do a baseline, a benchmark before anymore critical sorta measurement is done. So there is a before/after result.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Why in the world would they do that? That's a ridiculous suggestion, imo. Why don't all the other MDs in the country go back to base settings, so that they ALL SHOW THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS? There are so many MDs out there with tampered settings that it's not even funny. The simple fact remains that it doesn't matter what the actual number is, but rather the comparative numbers (compare between cars on the same dyno, or compare the same car on the same dyno before/after mods). The other major comparison is dyno numbers vs trap speeds, which Buschur customers are good for, because many of them actually race their car in addition to dyno'ing it, unlike many others places that won't be named.
Oh, btw, one good example of the "trap speed rule" would be a 111mph trap on a 345whp MD reading. I trap 109mph with 294whp on a Dynojet with pump gas, then trap 113 on race gas. I would be nowhere near 345 on a MD and most likely lower than 345 on a Dynojet. On Buschur's MD, I'd probably be around 280...
Oh, btw, one good example of the "trap speed rule" would be a 111mph trap on a 345whp MD reading. I trap 109mph with 294whp on a Dynojet with pump gas, then trap 113 on race gas. I would be nowhere near 345 on a MD and most likely lower than 345 on a Dynojet. On Buschur's MD, I'd probably be around 280...
Al, i'm on the same page as you. U got a known reference.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I like the Buschur dyno even thought it reads low as i know everythime I go there I have a constant yard stick to measure the results against.
Originally Posted by EVIL_EVO_VIII
Anyone? AL, Shiv!! Any imput would be appreciated, thanks
1 - Better ecu - (more advanced, better resolution, more function)
2 - Better turbo
3 - MIVEC
4 - Nicer interior - (of course subject to personal opinion)
Last edited by DynoFlash; Nov 20, 2005 at 08:11 PM.
Perhaps BR needs to change the package labels?
Stock EVO IX:
210.1 WHP = 286 Crank HP
so to compute drivetrain loss: 286 - 210.1 = 75.9hp
So if you take the BR330 EVO IX:
271.7 WHP + 75.9HP(DRIVETRAIN LOSS) = 347.6 Crank HP
So it would seem the 330 might now be closer to 350...
Stock EVO IX:
210.1 WHP = 286 Crank HP
so to compute drivetrain loss: 286 - 210.1 = 75.9hp
So if you take the BR330 EVO IX:
271.7 WHP + 75.9HP(DRIVETRAIN LOSS) = 347.6 Crank HP
So it would seem the 330 might now be closer to 350...
HP is cool, but TQ is the real number.
I've been done on Dyno Dynamics (Dynocomp in Phx) and Mynes performance (the best AWD dyno that Mustang makes).
Mynes doesn't play the numbers game. They have it set at real world numbers straight from the Mustang guys that set it up.
I don't feel bad with ONLY having 299hp/322lb/ft on their dyno.
The main thing is to use the same or similar dyno
to get an idea of improvements you are making.
I've been done on Dyno Dynamics (Dynocomp in Phx) and Mynes performance (the best AWD dyno that Mustang makes).
Mynes doesn't play the numbers game. They have it set at real world numbers straight from the Mustang guys that set it up.
I don't feel bad with ONLY having 299hp/322lb/ft on their dyno.
The main thing is to use the same or similar dyno
to get an idea of improvements you are making.
Originally Posted by snowmants
Perhaps BR needs to change the package labels?
Stock EVO IX:
210.1 WHP = 286 Crank HP
so to compute drivetrain loss: 286 - 210.1 = 75.9hp
So if you take the BR330 EVO IX:
271.7 WHP + 75.9HP(DRIVETRAIN LOSS) = 347.6 Crank HP
So it would seem the 330 might now be closer to 350...
Stock EVO IX:
210.1 WHP = 286 Crank HP
so to compute drivetrain loss: 286 - 210.1 = 75.9hp
So if you take the BR330 EVO IX:
271.7 WHP + 75.9HP(DRIVETRAIN LOSS) = 347.6 Crank HP
So it would seem the 330 might now be closer to 350...
Th best thing about these packages is that they are 100% waranty covered
The previous BR350 MR 2005 went mid 12's in the 1/4 mile
I predict this one will be able to go low 12's
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
From what I gather some 2003 stock evos dyno in the 190 range on that dyno
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=163893
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=112506
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=159009
My dyno was calibrated by Mustang Dyno and is 100% dead *** accurate to what it should read. It is low. There are quite a few other shops out there that have manipulated their roll weight settings to get higher numbers from their dynos. Well like the guy on "In Living Color" use to say, "Homey don't play dat."
The BR330-350's are warrantied through Medina with no questions asked.
The BR330 and BR350 packages won't need to be renamed as they are making almost exactly what they are suppose to. These two cars in particular are a little bit high but neither were EXACT BR330/350 packages. One had an offroad pipe and the other our race FMIC.
As for dyno numbers. I haven't seen any great change between the 2003-2006's on the dyno. The lowest stock EVO I have seen on my dyno was around 201 and the highest around 215. I have not seen the gains in the peak numbers that are suppose to be there.
These two EVO9's both were in the 203-210 area. Multiple pulls on each before we started the modification process to bring them to their BR330 and BR350 stages.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
The BR330-350's are warrantied through Medina with no questions asked.
The BR330 and BR350 packages won't need to be renamed as they are making almost exactly what they are suppose to. These two cars in particular are a little bit high but neither were EXACT BR330/350 packages. One had an offroad pipe and the other our race FMIC.
As for dyno numbers. I haven't seen any great change between the 2003-2006's on the dyno. The lowest stock EVO I have seen on my dyno was around 201 and the highest around 215. I have not seen the gains in the peak numbers that are suppose to be there.
These two EVO9's both were in the 203-210 area. Multiple pulls on each before we started the modification process to bring them to their BR330 and BR350 stages.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by freddiet
I know that a cat makes a difference. But why with only a off-road pipe added can the 330 be more than a 350. I was just wondering also. What kind of mark up is to be expected on the Br-Series. I know its probably worth it with the warranty still in tact. But really haven't seen any real prices. If someone knows and I don't think anyone wants them posted. Could they just pm it to me
Keith
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
The BR330-350's are warrantied through Medina with no questions asked.
Because the dealers in illinios, where i live, would view the car as modified and deny to warranty probably?
that kinda sucks