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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 10:22 PM
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i've been doing some searching and i just dont get it... the gt35r ... on pump gas only puts out (from what i've seen) roughly about 450-475 ish on pump gas...

dont many other turbos (gt3037, gt3076r, gt30r etc) make rougly the same power without the lag that comes withe the gt35r??
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 10:25 PM
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The GT35R needs to be run at high boost in order to be fully-utilized. To run that high boost, you need to be on race gas or alky all the time. A GT35r is not the most useful for someone who wants to run nothing but pump gas...
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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well lets say alky then ... what would the gt35r push then?
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 10:35 PM
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Closer to 600whp probably at or around 30psi...
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 10:42 PM
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just alky not meth?
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rcebowl
i've been doing some searching and i just dont get it... the gt35r ... on pump gas only puts out (from what i've seen) roughly about 450-475 ish on pump gas...

dont many other turbos (gt3037, gt3076r, gt30r etc) make rougly the same power without the lag that comes withe the gt35r??
Please show me the 3037, 3076 making 450-475whp on pump gas with no alcohol. Also, I dont see GT35Rs making 450+ on pump either... 450 ok but like 475 pump gas... not too common
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 10:47 PM
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i thought 3037 push around 400-450 on pump... (if they dont.. i'm sorry)
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Originally Posted by Rcebowl
just alky not meth?
Same thing.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Same thing.
incorrect.


denatured alcohol or ethanol (C2H5OH) has an air/fuel ratio of about 9:1 for stoic., Methanol (CH3OH) is closer to 6.45:1. this means significantly more methanol is needed to keep the stoic. ratios balanced with the added fuel. of course the increase in methanol also offers significantly more cooling properties as well... so it is a trade off (given both alcohols at stoic ratio, methanol will have about 30% more cooling effect...). all in all, methanol and ethanol have close to the same latent heat of vaporization, so if your using it for no other purpose then to cool the intake charge and don't really care about A/F ratios, then either one will do fine.

and yes both alcohols are corrosive.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 11:15 PM
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incorrect.

and yes both alcohols are corrosive.
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I wasn't saying that denatured alcohol is the same thing as methanol. I was saying that it's the same concept - alcohol injection, alky, methanol injection, whatever. Same thing, different fluids, negligible difference in terms of this question.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 11:23 PM
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really i was thinking meth could push more then akly no?
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Rcebowl
i've been doing some searching and i just dont get it... the gt35r ... on pump gas only puts out (from what i've seen) roughly about 450-475 ish on pump gas...

dont many other turbos (gt3037, gt3076r, gt30r etc) make rougly the same power without the lag that comes withe the gt35r??
91 octane or 93 octane? Most these big turbos are a lil disappointing on pump. On a 30 R expect 400ish on 91oct at best and maybe 420 ish on 93oct. Add 10-20 whp for the 35 R. Like Warr stated 35 Rs really shine on high octane or the alternatives.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:15 AM
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ooo well the let's say on a 30r what psi would u run on pump.. and about what psi would u run with alky, and what psi would u run with meth??...

same question for the 35r?... from what I know... u can run 30 psi with alky is that correct?
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:33 AM
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Are you still confused.. Alchy IS meth Methanol is a type of alcohol. Most people consider thier methanol injection kit "Alchy Injectiong".
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 09:10 AM
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well right sorry then i guess.. compared to ethanol to Methanol ... is there much performance difference?
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