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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:56 AM
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My question still stands...I'm skeptical about a stock EVO 9 turbo being able to pull 419 AWHP on a mustang dyno...

If it is true than why should I even bother getting a t3T4 or 50 trim to achieve 500 awhp??
Dont forget not all mustang dynos are set-up the same.. They are not all low like Buschur's or Gruppe-s'.

It looks like the car has a WR??

Either way, i am not feeling a 35psi spike..lol
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave@Kingpin
Dont forget not all mustang dynos are set-up the same.. They are not all low like Buschur's or Gruppe-s'.

It looks like the car has a WR??

Either way, i am not feeling a 35psi spike..lol
white rabbit turbo
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:59 AM
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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nice, wish i had 100 at the pump.

not familiar with the wr, but what were the advantages gained by switching from stock turbo to wr with IX internals?

i am also wondering with all the power these IX's are making, how come no one is talking about about head studs?
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Doogie Howser
white rabbit turbo
So I guess as the Evo evolves, so will the white rabbit. When will we see the infamous BLACK rabbit???????
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:06 AM
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MIVEC DAMMIT!!!! GOOD JOB!!
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:07 AM
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So I guess as the Evo evolves, so will the white rabbit. When will we see the infamous BLACK rabbit???????

go ask Alice when shes ten foot tall...!!!!hhaahahahaah!!
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:08 AM
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go ask Alice when shes ten foot tall...!!!!hhaahahahaah!!
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:10 AM
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Awesome numbers!!! I would love to see some track times!!! I wonder what a Bushur 20g turbo will do on a Evo9 Any idea how much you are making on pump gas??? Good job
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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Just a question. Why did you guys dyno in 3rd gear? Most MRs I've seen (including mine( were dynoed in 4th gear.
I have always thought that most people dynoed in 3rd gear. The gearing in the MR in the first 4 gears is very close to the gears in the 5 speed cars. We always dyno the cars in 3rd gear.

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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:21 AM
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Awesome numbers!!! I would love to see some track times!!! I wonder what a Bushur 20g turbo will do on a Evo9 Any idea how much you are making on pump gas??? Good job
We will get some track times in this car. But the clutch wouldnt stand a chance at holding this power the way the car sits now. We need to get a new clutch for it. I am looking into what we want to use on this car. I would think the Buschur 20G turbo would do similiar. This car will never see anything less than 100 octane. So we will probably not see and 93 octane numbers. However the 25 psi boost runs wouldnt be real far off from what you could run on 93 octane.

We are trying to see if we can sneak this car on the dyno at Topspeed tomorrow to make 3 runs to see what it will make on that Dynojet. Shouldnt take long considering its already tuned and ready to roll.

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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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Good info, nice graphs ... I guess the whole is greater than the sum of the parts (aka EVO 9)
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TURBODAWG
I have always thought that most people dynoed in 3rd gear. Brian
On the regular 5 speeds, yes. Like I said, I am no expert tuner. All I know is that Shiv dynos MR's in 4th.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 11:25 AM
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Atlvalet, most of us do 3rd gear in the MRs, too. 3rd and 4th gear are also identical on the IX 5spd and MR 6spd (VIII 5spd 3rd gear is only 2mph off), so there's no reason to do a different gear with the IX - either do both in 3rd or both in 4th. Since 4th gear pulls are too long and cause heatsoak along with erratic readings when on our Dynojets down here, we just stick with 3rd.

Brian, these are truly some amazing results. I'm glad you added later that there was a fuel pump, especially since I saw you added injectors. My two issues with this are:

1) 35psi? Wow, is that really a good idea? I wouldn't expect the turbo to last long like that. I can run 29-30psi on my stock VIII daily with alky, but I choose to stick with a reliable 26psi for daily use, so I know it won't be on the edge of lunacy. Thoughts? Also, have you thought that maybe the turbo isn't capable of keeping up with the engine's air flow at that rpm, so that's why it's not holding more boost than it is? I mean, I guess you could FORCE it to hold more boost, but that could do more damage than good if it's just blowing hot air...

2) Stock iridium plugs with stock gap on 35psi? That just doesn't add up at all. I can blow out the spark on stock plugs with 24-25psi on race gas - 35psi shouldn't even be able to do one 3rd gear pull on stock plugs. Thoughts again?

The rest is great. I've never seen a HP curve like that, but it's nice and smooth. I know the MD readouts really makes things much smoother than Dynojet readouts, but it's like a freakin tabletop - amazing.

I'm not keen on the recalibration thing - I know Nick always does that, but what does that really do? I don't even know what to do with those numbers. Not sure how comparable the numbers are if it's recalibrated each time. That was a huge jump, so I'm not sure how useful that last set of numbers...it's not as if the first set of numbers isn't already retarded fast, ya know?
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Atlvalet, most of us do 3rd gear in the MRs, too. 3rd and 4th gear are also identical on the IX 5spd and MR 6spd (VIII 5spd 3rd gear is only 2mph off), so there's no reason to do a different gear with the IX - either do both in 3rd or both in 4th. Since 4th gear pulls are too long and cause heatsoak along with erratic readings when on our Dynojets down here, we just stick with 3rd.

Brian, these are truly some amazing results. I'm glad you added later that there was a fuel pump, especially since I saw you added injectors. My two issues with this are:

1) 35psi? Wow, is that really a good idea? I wouldn't expect the turbo to last long like that. I can run 29-30psi on my stock VIII daily with alky, but I choose to stick with a reliable 26psi for daily use, so I know it won't be on the edge of lunacy. Thoughts? Also, have you thought that maybe the turbo isn't capable of keeping up with the engine's air flow at that rpm, so that's why it's not holding more boost than it is? I mean, I guess you could FORCE it to hold more boost, but that could do more damage than good if it's just blowing hot air...

2) Stock iridium plugs with stock gap on 35psi? That just doesn't add up at all. I can blow out the spark on stock plugs with 24-25psi on race gas - 35psi shouldn't even be able to do one 3rd gear pull on stock plugs. Thoughts again?

The rest is great. I've never seen a HP curve like that, but it's nice and smooth. I know the MD readouts really makes things much smoother than Dynojet readouts, but it's like a freakin tabletop - amazing.

I'm not keen on the recalibration thing - I know Nick always does that, but what does that really do? I don't even know what to do with those numbers. Not sure how comparable the numbers are if it's recalibrated each time. That was a huge jump, so I'm not sure how useful that last set of numbers...it's not as if the first set of numbers isn't already retarded fast, ya know?
Thanks for the kind words.

Okay. For the 35 psi deal. We dont really want to run 35 psi spikes, however. The engine had no audible detonation, nor uneven or jagged spikes in the torque curve. The only reason we did that was actually to get the turbo to hold higher boost up top to try to get a better hp figure... The correct way to achieve that result would have been to take the heat shield off and adjust the actuator for more preload. That turbo is supposed to be able to run 30 psi and hold 26 psi. That is with using a MBC like we were using. The dang torque at 35 psi is just sooo much fun.... We will more than likely hit a happy medium when driving on the street. We will probably just run 30 psi peak, and hopefully when we proload the actuator, be able to hold 26 psi and then the HP numbers should come up too..

Stock plugs are fine in this car. We DO have an HKS DLI2 ignition on this car. I think that is the reason you are having trouble with yours blowing out the spark. You need to get the HKS DLI2.

I will let Nick answer that last question you had about the recalibration. I talked with him at length about that today and what he said makes since from an dynamics standpoint. But I will let him answer that question for you.

Oh, one more thing we didnt even port or gasket match ANYTHING on this car. In fact the exhaust manifold never even came off the car. I thing some of the boost fall off might be alleviated slightly by some porting work. The stock lower IC piping is puny also. That will be next thing addressed powerwise.

Brian
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