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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 05:33 AM
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Finishing up cam install and...

First Ive gotta start by saying when we were using the tensioner tool and we snapped it, but we werent turning it very hard so we took a break and ate some dinner. Then we came back and we were putting the caps back on over the cams and the first bolt we did was suppose to be tightened to 15lbs and we set the wrench on 15lbs and my buddy began torquing it down and the bolt snapped clean off in the head!! We all just looked at each other... So we are going to try and easy out it, if that doesnt work ne suggestions??? The bolt isnt sticking out at all its actually quite far down the dowl. So we were curious at that point and tried tightening a bolt on something other than my car and the torque wrench snapped that off too! So by that point we now know its the torque wrench that is faulty. Its a brand new Craftsman wrench, so we are going to go get it exchanged and see if we cant get the bolt out tonight.

Will keep updated to how it goes.

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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 05:39 AM
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Whats cams are you fitting?
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TeenEVOwner
First Ive gotta start by saying when we were using the tensioner tool and we snapped it w/the torch wrench, but we werent turning it very hard so we took a break and ate some dinner. Then we came back and we were putting the caps back on over the cams and the first bolt we did was suppose to be tightened to 15lbs and we set the wrench on 15lbs and my buddy began torquing it down and the bolt snapped clean off in the head!! We all just looked at each other... So we are going to try and easy out it, if that doesnt work ne suggestions??? The bolt isnt sticking out at all its actually quite far down the dowl. So we were curious at that point and tried tightening a bolt on something other than my car and the torque wrench snapped that off too! So by that point we now know its the torque wrench that is faulty. Its a brand new Craftsman wrench, so we are going to go get it exchanged and see if we cant get the bolt out tonight.

Will keep updated to how it goes.
How could you not notice the torque wrench being off so much? 15lb ft of torque is almost no torque at all vs. how much it would require to snap heads off bolts.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 06:11 AM
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Yeah I would have tested at first sucks that happen to you like he said 15pds is almost nothing are you sure you have it adjusted correctly?
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 06:18 AM
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wow this sucks. good luck trying to get that bolt out. if you have any more major problems with that broke bolt i'd take it up with craftsman. they are somewhat responsible i'd think.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:29 AM
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wow this sucks. good luck trying to get that bolt out. if you have any more major problems with that broke bolt i'd take it up with craftsman. they are somewhat responsible i'd think.
At the risk of sounding harsh, you shouldn't be doing intensive work like camshafts if you can't guage 15lbs of torque and end up snapping off such critical bolts. Craftsman has no responsibility on this.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:36 AM
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At the risk of sounding harsh, you shouldn't be doing intensive work like camshafts if you can't guage 15lbs of torque and end up snapping off such critical bolts. Craftsman has no responsibility on this.
They are GSC 272's...

I agree, however my buddy wasn't putting any force on the bolt whatsoever, he was just tighting it and talking to me and another buddy of mine... and all of a sudden *snap... I wasnt like he was putting any force on it and wrenching the crap out of it. If he would have been pulling with anything than minimal force I would have been concerned that he didnt know the difference in 15lbs of pressure and 70lbs. REGARDLESS, we are going to get another wrench, and going to give this "easy out" a shot. Thanks for the concern, but I will not be placing the blame no Craftsman or anyone else. If anything I will accept resonsibility and get it dealt with.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:39 AM
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Yeah I would have tested at first sucks that happen to you like he said 15pds is almost nothing are you sure you have it adjusted correctly?
we tried several different settings and all of them had the same outcome... After the bolt snapped on the cap re-install, we didnt think that it was the wrench but rather the bolt (b/c it seemed that we hadnt even put any effort into breaking that bolt). So one of my friends said to try it out on like 20lbs on a different bolt just to see if it was indeed the wrench, and sure enought there was not *click* to signify it had reached the proper torque, and the bolt snapped. Also myself and friends know very well how to use a torque wrench, so that is not an issue whatsoever.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:51 AM
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You don't torque the tbelt tensioner tool.

I suggest getting an inch-lbs wrench and multiplying by 12.

As far as I know the bearing caps tq is 12-14 ft-lbs, not 15.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
You don't torque the tbelt tensioner tool.

I suggest getting an inch-lbs wrench and multiplying by 12.

As far as I know the bearing caps tq is 12-14 ft-lbs, not 15.
We printed up a guide (ill have to check which one we were looking at but it said "14-15"). Regardless we will see if the wrench is @ fault when he goes to return it...

BTW, the C/F exhaust sheild looks really good! thanx for that one
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:57 AM
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so what are you gonna do about the snapper tensioner tool?
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 08:05 AM
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nothin easy about an easy out. those things are ****...unless the bolt is loose in there

good luck with that, and something tells me you can't thread a bolt if you are snapping the heads off everything you tighten
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 08:25 AM
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so what are you gonna do about the snapper tensioner tool?
Its, Craftsman = warranty...
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 08:46 AM
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have you used an ez out before??? i had a focus with a snapped header bolt and the ez out ended up snapping, just go super slow and try to get the largest ez out you can in there, if the bolt doesn't budge with the ezout DO NOT go any further, the ez out WILL snap, take it suuuuuper slow, also someone suggested to me a butane torch,heat the area around the bolt, not the bolt itself, don't know if this is valid with whatever material the cap is(warping,ect)so don't take my word, sorry if you already know all of this, just trying to help
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 08:51 AM
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I would suggest reverse drill bits. Sometimes they pull the bolt right out as your drilling.
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