Vishnu vs Buschur and Al.......I LOSE!!!
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Originally Posted by 4G63 T
I dont know...look and assess the whole picture...the guy just telling his observation.. only fanatic people would start such flame.
Originally Posted by Fluid1
P.S. I'm not sure if it's been posted, but hypothetically Warrtalon crushes the both of you. lol I'm not sackriding, merely comparing 'mods and times'
Which, BTW, is 100% due to YMMV
Which, BTW, is 100% due to YMMV
i really don't see why this should go where i think it is going because we all agree that this "thread or event" is not an indication of anything. however, i am sure that at least some members are going to use this thread for flaming so i will just stay here and wait 
Shiv,
I did run it once 1 WEEK ago, missed 3rd gear twice, and got a 109? at 12.6. I really slowed down trying to get into 3rd.
my bad, tell someone to close this thread, until I get proper dyno time, and then can compare. I knew it was a consertive tune, but when I look back, 1 plate of the triple carbon was grabbing/slipping, and the Meth was wired wrong. (installed by a Mitshu buddy). I can see this thread going down the wrong path!!!! Shut it please.
I did run it once 1 WEEK ago, missed 3rd gear twice, and got a 109? at 12.6. I really slowed down trying to get into 3rd.
my bad, tell someone to close this thread, until I get proper dyno time, and then can compare. I knew it was a consertive tune, but when I look back, 1 plate of the triple carbon was grabbing/slipping, and the Meth was wired wrong. (installed by a Mitshu buddy). I can see this thread going down the wrong path!!!! Shut it please.
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Running leaded race gas on a pump gas map will kill power. It'll run too rich and even misfire at times up top. It is not unusual to see a 15-30whp loss in this situation. Rerun the car on pump gas and she how she does.
If you want to run race gas, make sure you are running a race gas map. This is especially true if you want to run leaded race gas. Because to make power that that stuff, you *need* to lean out your fuel map in a big way. As well as add in a few degrees of timing and as much boost as you can give it (with stock turbo). But frankly, we don't even recommend leaded gas as it is too hard on the ignition system. Best gas we've found so far for all-around use is MS109 unleaded.
A TME set-up, tuned for race gas, will trap in the 116-118mph range. Maybe another mph or two with a big fat spray of meth.
-shiv
If you want to run race gas, make sure you are running a race gas map. This is especially true if you want to run leaded race gas. Because to make power that that stuff, you *need* to lean out your fuel map in a big way. As well as add in a few degrees of timing and as much boost as you can give it (with stock turbo). But frankly, we don't even recommend leaded gas as it is too hard on the ignition system. Best gas we've found so far for all-around use is MS109 unleaded.
A TME set-up, tuned for race gas, will trap in the 116-118mph range. Maybe another mph or two with a big fat spray of meth.
-shiv
We have tested pump gas vs. race gas many times on the dyno and the variation in power and a/f is nearly unmeasurable
Originally Posted by blonde
i really don't see why this should go where i think it is going because we all agree that this "thread or event" is not an indication of anything. however, i am sure that at least some members are going to use this thread for flaming so i will just stay here and wait
It takes dozens and dozens of cars to make a trend to show any advantage with one tuner or the other
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I would hate to disagree - but I must
We have tested pump gas vs. race gas many times on the dyno and the variation in power and a/f is nearly unmeasurable
We have tested pump gas vs. race gas many times on the dyno and the variation in power and a/f is nearly unmeasurable
However, anyone with access to a dyno and some time to kill can test the effects of running leaded race gas on a car that has been mapped for pump gas. Once again, I'm talking about leaded race fuel, not unleaded race fuel.
cheers,
shiv
I think you did a good job Doc. Just keep coming out and trying. David was trapping 113 last week completely blowing through 1st gear and falling all the way out of boost going into 2nd. He has the power to go 11s @ 115+ and I think you will too.
I wish I was there tonight to see you guys go at it.
The only people *****ing about the thread are f'in whiners which this site is full of. It reminds me of the girl scout forum I frequent. There's nothing wrong with your thread.
I wish I was there tonight to see you guys go at it.
The only people *****ing about the thread are f'in whiners which this site is full of. It reminds me of the girl scout forum I frequent. There's nothing wrong with your thread.
Originally Posted by DRAG
I think you did a good job Doc. Just keep coming out and trying. David was trapping 113 last week completely blowing through 1st gear and falling all the way out of boost going into 2nd. He has the power to go 11s @ 115+ and I think you will too.
I wish I was there tonight to see you guys go at it.
The only people *****ing about the thread are f'in whiners which this site is full of. It reminds me of the girl scout forum I frequent. There's nothing wrong with your thread.
I wish I was there tonight to see you guys go at it.
The only people *****ing about the thread are f'in whiners which this site is full of. It reminds me of the girl scout forum I frequent. There's nothing wrong with your thread.
I will get the 11's!! I had a blast!
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
However, anyone with access to a dyno and some time to kill can test the effects of running leaded race gas on a car that has been mapped for pump gas. Once again, I'm talking about leaded race fuel, not unleaded race fuel.
cheers,
shiv
However, anyone with access to a dyno and some time to kill can test the effects of running leaded race gas on a car that has been mapped for pump gas. Once again, I'm talking about leaded race fuel, not unleaded race fuel.
cheers,
shiv
I'd also guess the misfires are from plug fouling. (It's either that or a possible change in AIT?) But it's just a guess.
-Adrian
Actually, the one thing I don't see being written is simply "Good job" to both Al and Noize. Al, your tune obviously is making good power, so 
to you. Smokedmustang, although you lost the race, your car is obviously making good power as well. You are both doing 10 mph over stock so way to go.
(Smokedmustang, just for reference, my Vishnu 1++ with 264i/272e and TME ran 12.2@111.95 on 91. So, you are only about one mph off and a good launch away from besting me with your 93 pump gas.)
to you. Smokedmustang, although you lost the race, your car is obviously making good power as well. You are both doing 10 mph over stock so way to go.(Smokedmustang, just for reference, my Vishnu 1++ with 264i/272e and TME ran 12.2@111.95 on 91. So, you are only about one mph off and a good launch away from besting me with your 93 pump gas.)
A pump gas map with race gas will certainly loose power over pump gas in a pump gas map...I have seen this many times on the dyno....the flame front propogates the cylinder alot slower with race gas and this on it's own will require adding additional timing advance in the map...
Well done on the trap speed though
Well done on the trap speed though
I was the 05 MR that smokedmustang was racing...I have Buschur's stage 1-4 w/ GSC 272's
exedy twin HD, Forge wga, race fmic w/ licp and a custom dynoflash from AL....i would like to see 11's on pump, but jumping from BR stage1 to stage4 w/ no race time in between....I have to learn how to drive the car all over again. All in all it was for fun had a great time. I know I will improve with a little more adjustments here and there.
Hey Doc we need to do the grudge matching again it seems as though we get through the staging lanes a little faster.
Luke where were you? y the no show?
exedy twin HD, Forge wga, race fmic w/ licp and a custom dynoflash from AL....i would like to see 11's on pump, but jumping from BR stage1 to stage4 w/ no race time in between....I have to learn how to drive the car all over again. All in all it was for fun had a great time. I know I will improve with a little more adjustments here and there.
Hey Doc we need to do the grudge matching again it seems as though we get through the staging lanes a little faster.
Luke where were you? y the no show?