So this is what it s about? Having sales for Dynoflash and Buschur? Come on man since you hooked up with them you have become a shill for them.

I am not suggesting an XEDE ONLY. They can get ANY piggback. I suggested SAFC, XEDE, and ECU+. Notice I said do not get ANY flash, I did not say do not get Dynoflash.

There are tons of EVOs and DSMs tuned with RRE Stage 1+ (TBE, SAFC, Injectors and cams) and some w/o cams and they make excellent power and have excellent results. Do you know better than ROAD RACE ENGINEERING? Do you know better than Scot Gray? Do you know how long these people have been tunig DSMs and EVOs. I would guess that 80% of the modded Evos and DSMs in SoCal use SAFC. Do you have any idea how many people hotlap their car and are tuned with an SAFC? Did you know that RRE's first race car driven by Kent Jordan was tuned using an SAFC? That is a RACE CAR that gets beat up on.

BR exhaust is loud just like any other exhaust that DOES NOT HAVE A RESONATOR. It is that simple. The BR exhaust makes great power and is light, but it is loud. When you run a test pipe it gets even louder. Why do you think some aftermarket companies put a resonator on the mid pipe? For fun? They put it to quiet down the exhuast. Yes, you will lose some power, but your car will be quieter.

You are losing your credibility by covering up some of these basic facts simply to make a sale.

You know a lot, a lot more than I do, but it seems that being sponsored by dynoflash and BR has made you dismiss some of the obvious facts.

 

can we please leave the bickering about vendor vs vendor and certain personality conflicts out of this thread. thanks,

 

Yeah the only 2 things that I've heard from Warr recently are buschur and dynoflash, over and over and over. Evom users, those are not your limits to what you can do to your evo, open up your mind, imagination and search. I'm not putting down buschur or dynoflash but it seems that whenever a newbie asks for mod advice then thats what being shoved in their face.

 

I am not putting Dynoflash or Buschur down either. The guy asked for an opinion and I gave mine. I am opposed to messing in any way with your ECU. Leave it as it is. Use a piggy back or SAFC.

If I did not have the money, then I would have gone with the SAFC. RRE, Scot Gray, Tuning Tech get great results with the SAFC. It is not as good as ECU+ or Xede, but for what you are paying the results are good. The SAFC can take TWO fuel maps, but cannot directly manipulate timing. Large injectors help getting around the timing issue, plus they set the stage for your next mods, ie, cams.

 

My opinion is the opposite. I think the best EMS solutions are either a flash or stand-alone. With any piggy-back intercept type device, you achieve tuning by 'tricking' the ECU, which can inevitably lead to problems with the ECU and piggy back fighting each other causing unsafe conditions for your motor.

By gaining access to the ECU and working within it's parameters (a flash), the ECU is not receiving altered information upon which it will make it's decisions. Instead, it's in full control of the car as it's designed to be, but with more optimized boost, fueling, and timing tables. You can also adjust fuel cut, while also safely raising the rev limit and two-step a bit. You simply can't do all that with a piggypack on the IX as far as I know. With the ECU in full control, you also retain all of the safety measures designed in to the ECU by the Mitsu engineers like the ability to pull timing and boost under certain conditions, switch to high det/bad gas maps, etc.

Of course the ultimate solution is a full standalone like AEM, Motec and others ... but that usually doesn't come in to play until you start replacing the turbo and hitting the big HP numbers ...

Just a counter opinion ...

 

Very well stated...I respect that

 

Greg, I would love to not have to continually deal with this, but NJ has a habit of speaking about things he's not educated on just because he's a Vishnu/Xede/Piggyback lover. He doesn't know how to use an SAFC and has no understanding of its limitations, yet keeps trying to convince people how superior it is just because a small group of people in the SW portion of the country prefer to use it. I've used it, I still use it, and I have used it for a long time, but I understand its limitations. The thread originator ALREADY DECIDED to use Buschur products and to get a flash. I don't go into Xede threads and continually tell people not to use it when I've never touched it in my life. The Xede works...the flash works. The SAFC barely works, and still costs more to own/tune than a flash. On top of that, there is no patch harness for the IX nor a Xede for the IX, so what's the point?

I'd love for all of NJs responses be removed so that mine, too, could be removed. He's not helping at all, and I certainly am not covering up any "facts." He's just embelleshing upon things that either aren't important or aren't even true to begin with because of an apparent agenda he has (not sure what it is, but it's a recurring theme in many threads).

 

Find a place in this thread where I only mentioned the Xede? I gave my opinion in response to what the guy posted. Just like you gave your opinion. But you do not like other's opinions now that you have a financial stake in selling BR and Dynoflash hardware. So now you want to get my posts removed simply because I gave my OPINION.

I do not like flashes. I like to keep the stock ECU untouched. I have mentioned that in different threads. Search under my handle and you will find that I am telling the truth. And I am not the only one. Scot Gray, aka, Dr. Gray als likes to keep his ECU pristine. And he knows way more than you do about tuning EVOs/DSMs.

I like the SAFC a lot and would use one if I did not have the money. The SAFC has limitations and I know that, but IMO it is better than a flash. Sorry, that is my opinion and I am entitled to it. A lot of people share that opinion in the SW. Just visit SoCalevo.net and see for yourself.

The SW happens to have the LARGEST concentration of EVOs/DSMs. The most widely used method of tune is the SAFC. What did the SCC staf use when they wanted to mod their EVO? They used an SAFC.

You do not need a patch harness to run an SAFC. A lot of people with EVO IXs are doing it. Check the SoCal evo forums and you will find them. A patch harness is perferable, but the car is new and the harness will come in due time.

As I said before, the only reason I got the XEDE is because it was on sale. If it was not, then I would be running an SAFC with Dr. Gray stage 1+

 

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