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Old May 11, 2006 | 05:48 PM
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Depends on the type of carbon and the processing technique. You can make carbon shapes from just about anything. You can even make them from wood. And, almost anything you can make into carbon you can also make into ceramic. This logically leads to NASA's Ecoceramics: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT2001/5000/5130singh.html

I've seen carbon pistons before. So I guess it can't hurt to try making a compressor wheel out of it. Personally, however, I'd rather see a Beryllium compressor wheel paired with a UBE Tyrannohex ceramic turbine wheel and a TiAl shaft. That would be badass.

Tyrannohex is a pretty neat material. It's about the same strength and density as aluminum, but retains its strength to extremely high temperatures, making it stronger than even the best superalloys at temperatures above 2,000*F: http://www.matweb.com/search/Specifi...assnum=CUBE252
how much hhahhaha
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Old May 11, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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never even heard of it and i work with exotic materials every day
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Old May 11, 2006 | 05:53 PM
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Here's were i will shine.

I design furnaces that have the ability to go to over 4000f.

We also made ceramic exhaust wheels for the largest turbo maker. they make almost every wheel for every turbo you can think of. The ceramic wheels are super feather light the only problem they are super brittle but very strong. The only way to damage these wheels are during assembly just tap them and they break but they hold up in cars with almost no therm expansion.
wow, only a tap? what if some debris comes out of the engine?
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Old May 11, 2006 | 05:56 PM
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broken wheel if debris comes out of your engine i wouldnt worry about the exhaust wheel
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Old May 11, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaceball 1
We also made ceramic exhaust wheels for the largest turbo maker. they make almost every wheel for every turbo you can think of. The ceramic wheels are super feather light the only problem they are super brittle but very strong. The only way to damage these wheels are during assembly just tap them and they break but they hold up in cars with almost no therm expansion.
That's one of the nice things about Tyrannohex. It has a very high fracture energy, for a ceramic anyway. (9,000J/m^2) But I'm not sure if it's even possible, let alone easy, to make it into a turbine wheel. It'd just be cool if you could.

Are the furnaces you design graphite element, or ceramic?
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Old May 11, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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A beryllium compressor wheel? That would be like five grand for some areospace quality sh*t, plus there's a health issue involved with the manufacturing it.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 08:47 PM
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A beryllium compressor wheel? That would be like five grand for some areospace quality sh*t, plus there's a health issue involved with the manufacturing it.
Yeah, just the raw metal is like $400-600 per pound.

Machning isn't so bad. It's only the dust that's toxic. People just need to treat it like you treat any other toxic chemical and not like you normally treat a metal. (IE: wear a face mask if you have to machine it in the open) There haven't been any cases of chronic berylliosis in a long time though. It was waaaay back in the day that it was a big problem and OSHA has since tamed it.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 07:19 AM
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graphite mostly
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