2 clutches down...
i got a good deal on the exedy twin so thats why i went with them, but the drivability of the clutch is great. no problems in day to day driving. (just a little rattling)
Originally Posted by superflyevo
and u say it will work just as good as a exedy twin
what are the prices for a solid center ,cerametallic clutch
what are the prices for a solid center ,cerametallic clutch
I am not into the whole us versus them thing. I didn't say it will "work just as good" because that is a relative term. In some cases it may work better, and in other cases maybe worse (there's honesty for ya). What I was saying is that the benefits and tradeoffs of our race clutch are more similar to the Exedy twin than that of our street setup. Usually people compare the performance of our popular street clutch to the Exedy twin which is totally different. The Exedy is more of a race clutch so for street use is not ideal. For racing, our street clutch is not what I consider ideal either, which is why we make a variety of different clutches.
Those twins are noisy and make your expensive evo sound like its about to fall apart.
15k hard miles isn't that bad out of a $450 clutch. I would stick with something you know works.
15k hard miles isn't that bad out of a $450 clutch. I would stick with something you know works.
pedal feel is very important too me, i had a ACT in my eclipse gsx before with the 2600lbs pressure plate (no clue what the evo lbs is) and i must say although i never had any issues with slipping , lockouts or any other problems, the super heavy pedal feel is shying me away from act products in the future (my evo). I have a light grasp on how clutches work, it's not magic, i understand why the pedal feel is heavy because act only uses single full-faced disk and the exedy uses 2 disks (or plates?) so i assume it's able hold more power with less pressure plate clamping force (do i have this right?) which equates to lighter (more stock) pedal feel, which is good for fast shifting, and lazy people like me that think purple is more attractive than yellow LOL
Definately do some research before you drop the cash on the twin. Not only is it expensive as fock but it makes all kinds of messed up noise. People say "hey deal with it, its part of the modding process" but unlike the cool sound of a cam'd car idling these noises make the sound like it has loose or near death parts.
I've had very good luck with clutchmasters stage 3 and centerforce dual friction clutches. Both will easily hold 350WHP which is about where most people are satisfied.
I've had very good luck with clutchmasters stage 3 and centerforce dual friction clutches. Both will easily hold 350WHP which is about where most people are satisfied.
Originally Posted by kf6ytc
pedal feel is very important too me, i had a ACT in my eclipse gsx before with the 2600lbs pressure plate (no clue what the evo lbs is) and i must say although i never had any issues with slipping , lockouts or any other problems, the super heavy pedal feel is shying me away from act products in the future (my evo). I have a light grasp on how clutches work, it's not magic, i understand why the pedal feel is heavy because act only uses single full-faced disk and the exedy uses 2 disks (or plates?) so i assume it's able hold more power with less pressure plate clamping force (do i have this right?) which equates to lighter (more stock) pedal feel, which is good for fast shifting, and lazy people like me that think purple is more attractive than yellow LOL 

PS - We don't have plans to change the color to accomodate "lazy people"
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Originally Posted by kf6ytc
pedal feel is very important too me, i had a ACT in my eclipse gsx before with the 2600lbs pressure plate (no clue what the evo lbs is) and i must say although i never had any issues with slipping , lockouts or any other problems, the super heavy pedal feel is shying me away from act products in the future (my evo). I have a light grasp on how clutches work, it's not magic, i understand why the pedal feel is heavy because act only uses single full-faced disk and the exedy uses 2 disks (or plates?) so i assume it's able hold more power with less pressure plate clamping force (do i have this right?) which equates to lighter (more stock) pedal feel, which is good for fast shifting, and lazy people like me that think purple is more attractive than yellow LOL 

Thanks for the reply, so in your opinion, if a stock evo's pedal feel is a 1 on a scale of 1-10, and my dsm's 2600 was a 10, where would the HD evo clutch fall?
How does pedal effort not affect fast shifting? Seems to me if the pedal effort is light, this will lead to a faster shift because less effort is faster and more precise in my opinion.
And the color thing, I didn't convey that well. What I meant, is some of my decision making process involved , A. me=lazy so less pedal effort = good. B. ( as a joke ) purple is defiantly more attractive than yellow.
On a side note, (and I think this may have been discussed before) but I think you should offer a 'paintless pressure plate to customers as a choice, I know this has some effect on brand identity, but I think this may boost your sales to a certain crowd. (but maybe this is going below the standards of how you want to run your business maybe?)
How does pedal effort not affect fast shifting? Seems to me if the pedal effort is light, this will lead to a faster shift because less effort is faster and more precise in my opinion.
And the color thing, I didn't convey that well. What I meant, is some of my decision making process involved , A. me=lazy so less pedal effort = good. B. ( as a joke ) purple is defiantly more attractive than yellow.
On a side note, (and I think this may have been discussed before) but I think you should offer a 'paintless pressure plate to customers as a choice, I know this has some effect on brand identity, but I think this may boost your sales to a certain crowd. (but maybe this is going below the standards of how you want to run your business maybe?)
Originally Posted by ACTman
The ACT clutch for the EVO doesn't feel anthing like the DSM. The pull type system on the EVO is far more efficient so it doesn't have to feel as stiff to get the job done. Lower pedal effort has very little to do with fast shifting.
PS - We don't have plans to change the color to accomodate "lazy people"
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PS - We don't have plans to change the color to accomodate "lazy people"
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Originally Posted by kf6ytc
Thanks for the reply, so in your opinion, if a stock evo's pedal feel is a 1 on a scale of 1-10, and my dsm's 2600 was a 10, where would the HD evo clutch fall?
How does pedal effort not affect fast shifting? Seems to me if the pedal effort is light, this will lead to a faster shift because less effort is faster and more precise in my opinion.
And the color thing, I didn't convey that well. What I meant, is some of my decision making process involved , A. me=lazy so less pedal effort = good. B. ( as a joke ) purple is defiantly more attractive than yellow.
On a side note, (and I think this may have been discussed before) but I think you should offer a 'paintless pressure plate to customers as a choice, I know this has some effect on brand identity, but I think this may boost your sales to a certain crowd. (but maybe this is going below the standards of how you want to run your business maybe?)
How does pedal effort not affect fast shifting? Seems to me if the pedal effort is light, this will lead to a faster shift because less effort is faster and more precise in my opinion.
And the color thing, I didn't convey that well. What I meant, is some of my decision making process involved , A. me=lazy so less pedal effort = good. B. ( as a joke ) purple is defiantly more attractive than yellow.
On a side note, (and I think this may have been discussed before) but I think you should offer a 'paintless pressure plate to customers as a choice, I know this has some effect on brand identity, but I think this may boost your sales to a certain crowd. (but maybe this is going below the standards of how you want to run your business maybe?)
2. Yes I agree that your leg may be slower because of the extra effort which in turn may slow your shifting, but the car's ability to shift quick has not changed. It is not like the same as if you had a super heavy sintered iron disc and the clutch shifts slower because of the inertia of the disc no matter how light the pedal effort. In that case it is definitely the fault of the clutch. See the difference?
3. Color - I was joking too of course. Good thing we are not selling snow cones, huh? I definitely prefer grape to lemon (or whatever flavor that was)
. Lazy? Buy an automatic! Please excuse me and forget I cussed like that.4. No paint - It's difficult to market another version of the same part (except for paint). No one wants to inventory more parts than necessary. There is a certain percieved value by painting the part and SFI certifying it. I know RRE has clutches that are not painted (their "no name" clutch). We have done unpainted clutches for some customers in the past. We actually had an automaker (no name mentioned) that needed some unpainted clutches for a certain stock spec class.
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