I dont remember....did he say he measured for rod bolt stretch or no?

 

In fact I did.

 

UPS just called me.....my 2.1L motor is here, they will deliver it to me tomorrow afternoon. Anyone think I should check anything out on it? To plasti-guage the bearings I would have to rip the motor apart.

 

If the shortblock came to you (properly) assembled, you should not need to pull it apart to check clearances. This should have already been done by the individual who assembled it.

 

I would agree.

Its a realtively new motor for Evo's which is one reason I went with it. I wanted to see what it would do. But at the same time I know its not a proven motor. Time will tell. Thats what makes me hesitant about it. Price had a lot to do with it too. I still have my original block and crank to build for a backup. Cant say that with a 2.3L

I really wish I could find a shop in town to do the install but Vegas lacks in that repsect. So I will be doing the work myself even though it will take longer.

 

Since my name was brought into this by SBR. I just called Pat, the other guy being referred to with one of your 2.1's. You suggested he wasn't happy with the tune I put in the car for him.

I am waiting on a call back from him to find out why he is unhappy. This is the first I heard of it.

I tuned Curt's engine with the stock turbo he set a record of 10.59 at 127 on the stock turbo and tuned his GT35R too and he ran 9.68 at 141. I'd say the tunes are dead on the money. Why Pat isn't happy probably has little to do with my tune.

Anyway, not sure why my name had to be brought up but the problem in this thread is torn up 2.1's, not tunes.

Thanks

 

I think Pat's issue was more that he didn't have a wideband thus unable to run O2 feedback for daily driving, he just got a wideband today so he can turn feedback back on, his WOT and general power tune seemed to be fine.

 

Guys this is all real bad... Anyone assembling an engine, I don't care if it's your first, 100th or 3rd mitsu, you must check absolutely everything on the engine before buttoning it up! period. If you don't (and a lot of you don't want to hear this or don't like the way it sounds) you esentially forfeit much of your right to warantee benefits. Every single step of assembling an engine is a critical step no matter how many times you've done it. If you've only done once or a few times, every step IS life or death for the engine. I am not at all being over dramatic. If you don't want to pay the engine builder $1000.00+ or what ever their rate is then you will assume all responsibility for the build. Because in all ahonesty, if the engine builder were putting it togather, then he would have been 200% more likely to have cought a mistake or flaw. You on the other hand do not have the experience to know what your looking at half the time, as you clearly don't know enough to measure things before assembling ("you" not pertaining to anyone in particular)... CHRIST! people these aren't LEGOS!!!! You don't snap em togather and hope your multi colored helicopter/submarine/treehouse/super fort doesn't fall apart cause you put it togather with all two button bricks when they can't bare the structural load!!! THEN YOUR IRREDESCENT NEON SEE THOUGH ABS PLASTIC HATCH COVER COMES UNHINGED AND YOUR LITTLE LEGO PILOT CAN'T EJECT IN TIME, SO HE GOES DOWN IN A FLAMING BALL OF BRIGHT YELLOW/RED/BLUE/AND DETAIL PAINTED PLASTIC BRICKS LEAVING BEHIND A WIFE AND TWO LITTLE LEGO MUNCHKINS WHO ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO ON LEGO WELFARE JUST TO GET BY AND HAVE TO SELL THEIR POOR LITTLE LEGO HORSES THAT DON'T HAVE ANY KNEES SO THEY THEY CAN PAY FOR YOU DUMB *** LEGO PILOT'S FUNERAL CAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE COST CASUE YOU USED THE MONEY TO REPLACE YOUR DAMAGED ENGINE PARTS YOU DIDN'T CHECK THE CLEARANCE ON!!!!! ok i'm sorry I just went somewhere else for a second there... I apologize. But seriously guys... Ever here of those over weight women who file frivolous suits agaisn't major fast food corporations blaming them cause they can't stop eating their delicious crispy fries. You take the responsiblities into your own hands when you build the engine... It's not Slowboy's fault your fat!

Just to show I am not entirely one sided though, If the parts are defective, I feel the parts should be replaced by the vendor at their expence (given it's within a reasonable amount of time from purchase date, and you didn't beat them into a million peices while running them), which they will intern get their money back from the manufacturer. I don't recommend going over the'r headds direct to the manufacturer, because you won't get help, and nine out of ten the manufacturer doesn't have a clue what your doing what you did, or what the vendor told you.
And I do feel badly for anyone whos project doesn't work out. Lord knows I've put my nose to the grind stone countless times only to fail or be tripped up. But The first actions should never be accusation... but rather investigation.

 

And about the tune I assume your talking about the white de-stroked. He did tell Mark, Dan and myself @PRP that one map was good and one wasnt working to well with pump gas. He did have a race gas map @ this time.

 

Hey thomas.. Let me know if you have any questions about your motor once you get it! you should have gotten it today or tomorrow!

Thanks


Mark
SBR

 

anymore updates joeymia?? there are still some questions unanswered. specifically if you measured for rod bolt stretch.

 

Thanks for letting me know Curt.

Both his maps should work the same as one was done and then it was used for the basemap for the other.

I have yet to hear from him.

 

bolt stretch was measured, the bolts were also taken off by hand tools and they were very tight. Clearances were checked by measuring with a mic and bore gauge but we did not have any plastigauge. Basically I have just decided to start over. I have done the following to make sure my next build works.

1. Ordered Plastigauge
2. Checking clearances with another set of tools. Going to have the shop who is going to balance the crank/rod/pistons/etc.. check with their equipment as well.
3. Going to go with Clevite Bearings
4. Ordered an Accusump (www.accusump.com) to prevent oil starvation and have oil preasure when doing a cold start.
5. Using my crank 4g64 which I know is/was good

 

i have received the eagle rods, wiseco pistons, plastigauge and a few other goodies which are waiting at my Dad's house I guess I'll restart this thread a 2.4 build in the advance engine forum once i get everything togther.

 

right on...hope it work out for you this time around.