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Old Aug 5, 2006 | 01:07 PM
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When spool-up matters

Turbo Dynamics, LTD., the British company that produces the Evo400 ballbearing turbo , has teamed up with Forced Performance to produce, what may well be the ultimate Evo IX turbo.

The new hybrid is based on Mitsubishi's Evo 9 GT turbo. The CHRA is configured with Forced Performance's billet aluminum, 5-bladed, White Rabbit compressor wheel and a larger trim, TiAl turbine wheel, which is a one-off casting by Turbo Dynamics. It rides on a ball bearing center section.

The compressor housing is the propietary Turbo Dynamics IX, shroud-ported item with a 4" inducer(inlet bellmouth). The turbine housing is a ported 10.5. This has gotta be the ultimate honkin' IX turbo.
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Old Aug 5, 2006 | 01:10 PM
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this is old news. they have been using this turbo for a long while in the UK...
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Old Aug 5, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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sounds good where do i order?
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Old Aug 5, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by o.e.boost
sounds good where do i order?
try:

www.dentistmapped.com
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Old Aug 5, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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[QUOTE=housedj]this is old news. they have been using this turbo for a long while in the UK...[/QUOTE]

Sorry guys for posting up old info. My flub! I still wouldnt mind getting my hands on one though.
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Old Aug 5, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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[QUOTE=housedj]this is old news. they have been using this turbo for a long while in the UK...[/QUOTE]

The Evo400 turbo sold by The Dentist and Evo400, has been out for a while, and comes standard, either with the Mitsubishi factory GT IX & IX RS's Magnesium alloy compressor wheel or Mitsubishi's aluminum alloy comp wheel and the RS's OEM TiAL turbine wheel.

On the other hand, this "new"(it may well be old) turbo incorporates a one-off, in house cast turbine wheel which is a larger trim than the stock Mitsu TiAl turbine wheels as used in the earlier EVO400 turbos, thus reducing backpressure further while maintaining the fast spool nature of the titanium aluminide alloy.

The Compressor wheel is not the standard Mitsubishi Magnesium alloy RS &GT comp wheel used on the Evo 400 turbo, normally sold by the Dentist and Evo400. It is instead the billet aluminum, 5-bladed White Rabbit compressor wheel, from Forced Performance.

In other words, this "new" version from Turbo Dynamics, is an upgraded version of the earlier Evo400 turbo.This is like the ultimate White Rabbit. It uses the White Rabbit's billet aluminum 5-bladed compressor wheel inside of a IX compressor housing fitted with a shroud-ported, 4" big inlet bell, and a special, larger trim, Ti/Al turbine wheel. And all of this with a ballbearing center section.

The TiAl turbine wheel used in this upgraded version, is not the standard TME wheel used in the White Rabbit and TME turbos nor even the slightly larger TiAl Mitsubishi wheel used on the IX RS turbo(also, the wheel used in the standard Evo400 turbo), but instead it is a fully redesigned larger trim, low-backressure unit that is custom in house cast by Turbo Dynamics. A 10.5 turbine housing is then milled to accept the larger custom made turbine wheel.

You can find this turbo detailed on Turbo Dynamics' website. Maybe Turbo Dynamics will do a group buy for us. Anyone else interested?

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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 07:11 AM
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I'd be interested to learn more... however, these bad boys historically tend to almost coast as much as a GT based turbo kit.
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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 08:52 AM
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I'm interested as well. What gains could one expect by using this instead of a White Rabbit?
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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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[QUOTE=Zeus]I'd be interested to learn more... however, these bad boys historically tend to almost coast as much as a GT based turbo kit.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the price would probably scare most of us, including me, off. I think I would purchase it if it were competitively priced with the better stock turbo upgrades available in the U.S., even adding the price of the ballbearing conversion, the shroud porting, the bigger turbine wheel etc.. I could see paying $2500(U.S.) max, but it's probably considerably more expensive than that. I'll send them an Email and get the price. I'll let you all know.

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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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[QUOTE=jbrown]I'm interested as well. What gains could one expect by using this instead of a White Rabbit?[/QUOTE]

I'll post any dyno #'s, if I find them on Lancerregister. It should be like a White Rabbit, except a bit more top-end oriented, while still maintaining good spoolup. The IX compressor housing should be worth about 15 hp, even w/o taking into account the enlarged 4" inlet bell(inducer).

In addition, the larger turbine wheel should relieve backpressure, thus freeing up a few more ponies. Since the larger wheel is TiAl it shouldnt increase rotating mass significantly. The ball bearing cartridge should lower spool up a few hundred RPM, and the ported shroud should keep compressor surge in check.

It sounds like a nasty package. I, myself prefer a simple bolt-on turbo upgrade to a kit...anytime. I just bet it's way expensive. It looks, at least on paper, like it would be a killer auto-x turbo and not too shabby as a street turbo.

I'll search around on the British boards for some dyno numbers or track times. It seems that all the Hill Climb event Evo's are liking this turbo.

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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 03:04 PM
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Maybe Forced Performance, since it supplies Turbo Dynamics with the WR compressor wheels, could be convinced to do a run of these turbos, even if they didn't include the ball bearing option. Forced Performance could get a shipment of the larger turbine wheels and the modded IX compressor cover, and offer us a group buy, on what is essentially an upgraded and improved White Rabbit.

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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 04:07 PM
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When the Evo 8 hit US shores, I priced them at $2800 + shipping for average Joe... that did not include the larger turbine wheel or bell mouth compressor cover.

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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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When the Evo 8 hit US shores, I priced them at $2800 + shipping for average Joe... that did not include the larger turbine wheel or bell mouth compressor cover.
Yeah, thanks Zeus, I see it's gonna be way too expensive for this Joe. I guess I'll set my sights a bit lower....on the WR-9, for example. This would be essentially the same thing, as a practical matter, without all the Techno-Bling-Bling. Someone on this board is seeing over 400whp/400wtq on 93(w/o drugs, I think), with a WR-9.

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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 05:08 PM
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I agree with HouseDJ. This is old news. Basicly any turbocharger company can make the ultimate turbo, titanium blades, ported and polished,ceramic coated,dual ball bearing turbo, bigger compessor and variable geometry blades(blades change on pitch for lightning fast spool up then the change for high top end boost).

Botton line is that whatever turbo that company is planning to release is not going to be cheap. The turbo business is like a menu, the more stuff you get the more expensive it gets.

Carlos
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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 08:13 AM
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In my opinion,it is not worth if this cost over 1800US$.
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