few q's on the 20g lt
Originally Posted by backcountryGSX
how much whp are these turbos supposed to dyno at on a IX? lets say if the IX had an exhaust/reflash..thanks
Last edited by Faust; Nov 20, 2006 at 06:06 PM.
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go onto forcedperformance.com they have a dyno graph on an ix with just an exhuast cam and a tbe without proper tuning or boost control and it dyno's to like 350whp i think. that is def good enough for me
for the lazy.. as per mitsubishipart.net $71.02 ...sure beats buschur $170.00 kit
Quantity Part # Description List Unit Price Price
1 1310A171 Pipe,t/c Water Re $11.00 $8.38 $8.38
1 1310A248 Pipe,t/c Water Fe $11.00 $8.38 $8.38
1 1515A057 Fitting,t/c Air O $49.75 $37.91 $37.91
1 MR281085 Gasket,t/c Air Ou $3.60 $2.74 $2.74
2 MF660063 Gasket,clutch M/c $1.03 $0.79 $1.57
1 1225A042 Tube,t/c Oil Feed $10.35 $7.89 $7.89
4 MF660065 Gasket,cooling Wa $0.75 $0.57 $2.29
2 MF660064 Gasket,a/t Case $1.22 $0.93 $1.85
Subtotal: $71.02
Shipping: $9.95
Quantity Part # Description List Unit Price Price
1 1310A171 Pipe,t/c Water Re $11.00 $8.38 $8.38
1 1310A248 Pipe,t/c Water Fe $11.00 $8.38 $8.38
1 1515A057 Fitting,t/c Air O $49.75 $37.91 $37.91
1 MR281085 Gasket,t/c Air Ou $3.60 $2.74 $2.74
2 MF660063 Gasket,clutch M/c $1.03 $0.79 $1.57
1 1225A042 Tube,t/c Oil Feed $10.35 $7.89 $7.89
4 MF660065 Gasket,cooling Wa $0.75 $0.57 $2.29
2 MF660064 Gasket,a/t Case $1.22 $0.93 $1.85
Subtotal: $71.02
Shipping: $9.95
Originally Posted by evobeatsti
go onto forcedperformance.com they have a dyno graph on an ix with just an exhuast cam and a tbe without proper tuning or boost control and it dyno's to like 350whp i think. that is def good enough for me
Originally Posted by Forcedperformance.com
The test car was a 2006 EVO9 RS with about 2500miles on it at the time of the tests. The car was only very mildly modified from it’s stock configuration at this point with only a Comp 280plus exhaust camshaft and 3" catback for mods.(What a weird place to start modifiying your car...a Cam & Catback?)
The car was modified with the EVOGreen Model turbocharger and a larger 3” DP cat test pipe and O2 housing.
The car was modified with the EVOGreen Model turbocharger and a larger 3” DP cat test pipe and O2 housing.
Originally Posted by nitz
for the lazy.. as per mitsubishipart.net $71.02 ...sure beats buschur $170.00 kit
Quantity Part # Description List Unit Price Price
1 1310A171 Pipe,t/c Water Re $11.00 $8.38 $8.38
1 1310A248 Pipe,t/c Water Fe $11.00 $8.38 $8.38
1 1515A057 Fitting,t/c Air O $49.75 $37.91 $37.91
1 MR281085 Gasket,t/c Air Ou $3.60 $2.74 $2.74
2 MF660063 Gasket,clutch M/c $1.03 $0.79 $1.57
1 1225A042 Tube,t/c Oil Feed $10.35 $7.89 $7.89
4 MF660065 Gasket,cooling Wa $0.75 $0.57 $2.29
2 MF660064 Gasket,a/t Case $1.22 $0.93 $1.85
Subtotal: $71.02
Shipping: $9.95
Quantity Part # Description List Unit Price Price
1 1310A171 Pipe,t/c Water Re $11.00 $8.38 $8.38
1 1310A248 Pipe,t/c Water Fe $11.00 $8.38 $8.38
1 1515A057 Fitting,t/c Air O $49.75 $37.91 $37.91
1 MR281085 Gasket,t/c Air Ou $3.60 $2.74 $2.74
2 MF660063 Gasket,clutch M/c $1.03 $0.79 $1.57
1 1225A042 Tube,t/c Oil Feed $10.35 $7.89 $7.89
4 MF660065 Gasket,cooling Wa $0.75 $0.57 $2.29
2 MF660064 Gasket,a/t Case $1.22 $0.93 $1.85
Subtotal: $71.02
Shipping: $9.95
Originally Posted by Faust
Am I the only one who doesn't understand WHY, When a company dyno tests a new part they add additional parts to the mix as well? How do we know exactly what the gain was from adding just the turbo(LIKE EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW?!?!) It just makes no sense to me and seems a little devious as well. But that's just MHO!
Why these shops don't install the part alone is because they aren't effecient that way, and then people like you go freaking out saying it's a waste of money and didn't live up to the hype.
Certain new parts need supporting mods to show their true potential. I bet this turbo bolted on a stock evo alone will show at most 10-30 whp gain; which would quickly be offset by the ECU compensating.
Originally Posted by KOEvo
My guess is FP did those parts to achieve 100 more whp, and they figured that was a good place to stop.
Why these shops don't install the part alone is because they aren't effecient that way, and then people like you go freaking out saying it's a waste of money and didn't live up to the hype.
Certain new parts need supporting mods to show their true potential. I bet this turbo bolted on a stock evo alone will show at most 10-30 whp gain; which would quickly be offset by the ECU compensating.
Why these shops don't install the part alone is because they aren't effecient that way, and then people like you go freaking out saying it's a waste of money and didn't live up to the hype.
Certain new parts need supporting mods to show their true potential. I bet this turbo bolted on a stock evo alone will show at most 10-30 whp gain; which would quickly be offset by the ECU compensating.
So tell me, in that set up how much move HP/Trq did the new turbo add over a stock IX turbo? You can't give me a definitive answer because the data isn't there because they juked the stats.
And my favorite is when you put a new part on but don't get the same or close to the same numbers that the vendor posted you would get. You come on here and post your findings and then the vendor says the reason you didn't get said numbers is because you have the wrong combination of parts to begin with. Even though you have pretty much the exact same combination but just different brands then said Vendor...
Last edited by Faust; Nov 21, 2006 at 05:48 AM.
Originally Posted by dsmfan95
I watched the turbo dyno 450whp/450wtq on buschurs dyno, and watched it run the 10.88 @ 129 (my buddy has the timeslip). That right there is enough to get me to buy it.
Sorry I took this off topic, I am very excited about this turbo just as much as the next person. I'm just tired of no true answers to all of these reasonable questions.
Some of the people on this thread need to understand how parts and combinations of parts work. If you install larger injectors on a stock engine, does that mean that the larger injectors don't work any better than the stock injectors. NO! It simply means you now have head room to add OTHER mods to get the benefit of the larger injectors. Now, add a better flowing exhaust or head (increase your engines airflow) and now you can take advantage of the larger injectors. Learn the basics before playing "QUESTION THE PROFESSOR and TRY TO CATCH HIM IN A LIE". It's pretty straight forward, some mods (Like a larger turbo) do their best work when other parts are added to the mix. What if the same boost, everything was left the same, turbo changed out, and only 10 hp difference showed up. Does that mean that the turbo is only good for 10 hp. I don't think so. Use your heads and common sense. Jeez
Originally Posted by 9sec9
It's pretty straight forward, some mods (Like a larger turbo) do their best work when other parts are added to the mix. What if the same boost, everything was left the same, turbo changed out, and only 10 hp difference showed up. Does that mean that the turbo is only good for 10 hp. I don't think so.
My example used a 10 hp gain, but in some cases, such as the injector example I used, a horsepower gain may not show up until other mods are completed. If that's the case, some improper assumptions might be made that the turbo doesn't add anything, when in fact it added huge potential. For example, what if the stock IX turbo is maxed at 28 psi and tuned. Now you add the new 20G-LT, and tune for it. You would see the true increase in power. On the other hand, if the stock turbo wasn't maxed and you change to the 20G-LT and leave the tune the same, a false impression of it's potential appears. That's my point. Potential is the improvement, not necessarily immediate results at the same settings. Thanks for your response.
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