20g or 50 trim
I would mail my OEM IX turbo in and let FP do the EvoGreen thing to it if the cost were maybe $600-$800, but not at a grand. Yeah it's plug and play and that's a huge bonus. I just think that grand might be better spent going towards a full 50 trim kit. It's a time tested and proven pump turbo in the DSM crowd. I don't think DB himself could argue that but then again I don't think he's ever claimed that this 20G-LT was designed to target the 50 trim crowd. I'm pretty sure that debate was given birth to on this forum by its members.
There's a mountain of 4G63 history supporting the 50 trim as the stronger snail. On the other hand we have a few threads and some videos showing what the 20G-LT can do against a 50 trim...a backfiring, misfiring, 50 trim sportin' Evo. Maybe in time that will change but I doubt it. Every time Buschur releases a new bolt-on turbo he and his proxies proclaim it to be the best thing ever. Don't believe me? Go back and dig up some old 20G VIII threads. Then dig up some 20G IX threads. All along the 50 trim kits have been putting down consistent numbers without any marketing or need to manufacture enthusiasm by their vendors. Everybody has the right to make a buck but can we all stop drinking the cool-aid for just a second and objectively analyze the numbers each of these respective turbos are capable of. You get what you pay for. Otherwise AMS would be selling 50 trim kits for $2k.
There's a mountain of 4G63 history supporting the 50 trim as the stronger snail. On the other hand we have a few threads and some videos showing what the 20G-LT can do against a 50 trim...a backfiring, misfiring, 50 trim sportin' Evo. Maybe in time that will change but I doubt it. Every time Buschur releases a new bolt-on turbo he and his proxies proclaim it to be the best thing ever. Don't believe me? Go back and dig up some old 20G VIII threads. Then dig up some 20G IX threads. All along the 50 trim kits have been putting down consistent numbers without any marketing or need to manufacture enthusiasm by their vendors. Everybody has the right to make a buck but can we all stop drinking the cool-aid for just a second and objectively analyze the numbers each of these respective turbos are capable of. You get what you pay for. Otherwise AMS would be selling 50 trim kits for $2k.
I'm confident this turbo will make 450+ whp on c16...
Last edited by binh; Feb 15, 2007 at 10:01 PM.
I think I speak for everybody when I say I hope I'm wrong and a $1.8k OEM-ish turbo does what a $3k turbo kit can do. Then again it's been known for a while that the real advantage of a 20G vs. a 16G is that it comes alive on race gas. Most of us aren't looking for the best 100 octane turbo or C16 turbo though. We want a pump gas turbo with over 400whp and plenty of usable power before 4k RPM's.
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Your right blockhed, with 28psi on your 20G-LT you should see another 40-50whp. So that pretty much stating that the 20G-LT is a good turbo that can support up to 440-450whp on high boost with race gas. I'm already doing
380whp and this is on 91 octane lol. Most 3076 kit or 3071 kit put down 370-380whp on 91 octane. This turbo totally destory any street set up I have seen so far. The spool is exactally like stock for me with cams.
380whp and this is on 91 octane lol. Most 3076 kit or 3071 kit put down 370-380whp on 91 octane. This turbo totally destory any street set up I have seen so far. The spool is exactally like stock for me with cams.
Steiner we all know 50 trim kits at 3k dont exist nevermind the fact that you mention AMS who produces one of the more expensive kits. Pump for pump this turbo will take a 50 trim 8out of 10 times. If you want to race me on 30psi wit hmeth I'll get a 100 octane map and we can go or we can just go all race gas vs race gas and see the outcome. All of you ***** and moan go ahead buy 50 trim and cry about it later. The green spools faster and holds a very similar power number so the races will be determined by drivers. If you have a 50 trim in the tristate area PM me and we'll set something up.
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Steiner we all know 50 trim kits at 3k dont exist nevermind the fact that you mention AMS who produces one of the more expensive kits. Pump for pump this turbo will take a 50 trim 8out of 10 times. If you want to race me on 30psi wit hmeth I'll get a 100 octane map and we can go or we can just go all race gas vs race gas and see the outcome. All of you ***** and moan go ahead buy 50 trim and cry about it later. The green spools faster and holds a very similar power number so the races will be determined by drivers. If you have a 50 trim in the tristate area PM me and we'll set something up.
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Here a comprasion graph of a evo 9 with AMS 3076 kit.
That graph is on pump gas which is on 91 octane. I do not know what boost level this was at, but since its on pump gas. I assume its around 21-23psi.
This is my graph with 20G-LT. AT 22psi level on 91 octane
Look at the power curve and look at when I hit full boost compair to the 3076.
This turbo show alot of good potential and mating with the correct supporting mods, it make it a real good street/pump gas turbo.
That graph is on pump gas which is on 91 octane. I do not know what boost level this was at, but since its on pump gas. I assume its around 21-23psi.
This is my graph with 20G-LT. AT 22psi level on 91 octane
Look at the power curve and look at when I hit full boost compair to the 3076.
This turbo show alot of good potential and mating with the correct supporting mods, it make it a real good street/pump gas turbo.
Basically the goal is to have a 400whp/116 trapping daily driver on 93 octane.
Car will have cams, full exhaust, fmic, injectors, fuel pump... basically all boltons.
But I see a bunch of debate when I search "20g turbo" about which way is the best way for 400whp.
Some people say you can't make 400whp on either setup on 93 octane... and if that were true. The choice would go 20g because of all the extra money spent on the 50 trim setup. Just to NOT reach the goal anyway.
What you guys think?
Car will have cams, full exhaust, fmic, injectors, fuel pump... basically all boltons.
But I see a bunch of debate when I search "20g turbo" about which way is the best way for 400whp.
Some people say you can't make 400whp on either setup on 93 octane... and if that were true. The choice would go 20g because of all the extra money spent on the 50 trim setup. Just to NOT reach the goal anyway.
What you guys think?
if you mean make good power with higher torque in lower rpms, then probably the green.
Once adam gets a race gas tune and runs someone with a 50 trim on race gas or pump/meth...then you'll have a better idea.