400whp IX possible with ONLY cams or ONLY Methanol (Plus supporting mods for both)?
Jan 24, 2007, 02:43 PM
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400whp IX possible with ONLY cams or ONLY Methanol (Plus supporting mods for both)?
Hey all...
First off, I would like to apologize for the double post. It was wrong and will not happen again so that this thread will stay.
Ive had a goal of 400whp on the stock IX turbo ever since I bought the car. I know that that is a silly goal, but it is the ultimate means of satisfaction in my eyes because I will rarely race the car.
I currently have all of the mods in my signature on the car and plan on adding more before Al comes to Chicago to tune February 20th. I will be adding a BR Deluxe FMIC, BR UICP, ARP headstuds, Forge RS DV, and One Step Colder Plugs for the tune.
I am trying to get to 400 whp and dont need much more. I am trying to figure out if I can do it with all the above mods PLUS JUST GSC S1 Cams or JUST a Snow Performance Methanol 2D Injection Kit (Or JUST 100 oct daily), or do I need both the cams and injection kit to hit that number?
Can I just use one or the other with the above mods or do I need both to hit 400whp?
Once again, the mods in my signature and a BR Deluxe FMIC, BR UICP, ARP headstuds, Forge RS DV, and One Step Colder Plugs will be added for the tune too, on top of the cams and/or meth (or race gas).
Thank you and I apologize again for the double post!
- Dominic
First off, I would like to apologize for the double post. It was wrong and will not happen again so that this thread will stay.
Ive had a goal of 400whp on the stock IX turbo ever since I bought the car. I know that that is a silly goal, but it is the ultimate means of satisfaction in my eyes because I will rarely race the car.
I currently have all of the mods in my signature on the car and plan on adding more before Al comes to Chicago to tune February 20th. I will be adding a BR Deluxe FMIC, BR UICP, ARP headstuds, Forge RS DV, and One Step Colder Plugs for the tune.
I am trying to get to 400 whp and dont need much more. I am trying to figure out if I can do it with all the above mods PLUS JUST GSC S1 Cams or JUST a Snow Performance Methanol 2D Injection Kit (Or JUST 100 oct daily), or do I need both the cams and injection kit to hit that number?
Can I just use one or the other with the above mods or do I need both to hit 400whp?
Once again, the mods in my signature and a BR Deluxe FMIC, BR UICP, ARP headstuds, Forge RS DV, and One Step Colder Plugs will be added for the tune too, on top of the cams and/or meth (or race gas).
Thank you and I apologize again for the double post!
- Dominic
Jan 24, 2007, 06:11 PM
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I ve put 337/342 on a Dyno Dynamics at 22psi spike and i still have a cat and i still don't have aftermarket MAF pipe, o2 housing, manifold, testpipe, instecooler piping, intercooler and wastegate actuator...
400whp is 120% doable on a dynojet on pump gas and that's my target in the next couple of months... i am just gathering parts to install them together...
On a mixture with C16, spike at 30psi (but never holding proper boost due to a leaking bov as i have set up my Greddy bov too soft for such high pressure) we saw 373whp and 422ft-lbs on the Dyno Dynamics...with the 1.12 correction that's 418whp and 473ft-lbs torgue on a Dynojet...Can't imagine the numbers with the rest parts that i need and race gas... Definitely will exceed 400whp on the Dyno Dynamics...
P.S. Meth is a little bit risky for me and i don't need it every day... When i want to race the car i simply "mix" in my garage and i am ready to rock'n'roll...
400whp is 120% doable on a dynojet on pump gas and that's my target in the next couple of months... i am just gathering parts to install them together...
On a mixture with C16, spike at 30psi (but never holding proper boost due to a leaking bov as i have set up my Greddy bov too soft for such high pressure) we saw 373whp and 422ft-lbs on the Dyno Dynamics...with the 1.12 correction that's 418whp and 473ft-lbs torgue on a Dynojet...Can't imagine the numbers with the rest parts that i need and race gas... Definitely will exceed 400whp on the Dyno Dynamics...
P.S. Meth is a little bit risky for me and i don't need it every day... When i want to race the car i simply "mix" in my garage and i am ready to rock'n'roll...
Jan 24, 2007, 06:30 PM
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I ve put 337/342 on a Dyno Dynamics at 22psi spike and i still have a cat and i still don't have aftermarket MAF pipe, o2 housing, manifold, testpipe, instecooler piping, intercooler and wastegate actuator...
400whp is 120% doable on a dynojet on pump gas and that's my target in the next couple of months... i am just gathering parts to install them together...
On a mixture with C16, spike at 30psi (but never holding proper boost due to a leaking bov as i have set up my Greddy bov too soft for such high pressure) we saw 373whp and 422ft-lbs on the Dyno Dynamics...with the 1.12 correction that's 418whp and 473ft-lbs torgue on a Dynojet...Can't imagine the numbers with the rest parts that i need and race gas... Definitely will exceed 400whp on the Dyno Dynamics...
P.S. Meth is a little bit risky for me and i don't need it every day... When i want to race the car i simply "mix" in my garage and i am ready to rock'n'roll...
400whp is 120% doable on a dynojet on pump gas and that's my target in the next couple of months... i am just gathering parts to install them together...
On a mixture with C16, spike at 30psi (but never holding proper boost due to a leaking bov as i have set up my Greddy bov too soft for such high pressure) we saw 373whp and 422ft-lbs on the Dyno Dynamics...with the 1.12 correction that's 418whp and 473ft-lbs torgue on a Dynojet...Can't imagine the numbers with the rest parts that i need and race gas... Definitely will exceed 400whp on the Dyno Dynamics...
P.S. Meth is a little bit risky for me and i don't need it every day... When i want to race the car i simply "mix" in my garage and i am ready to rock'n'roll...
Race gas or meth?
Cams?
Both?
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For 400whp why replace the headstuds? Did you replace them correctly by pulling the head, prepping the head and block, final degrease with acetone and new OEM headgasket, torqued in sequence in stages with a final retorque after 10 heatcycles as ARP recommends. Or did you just pull the old ones out (unseating the headgasket) and slap ARP's in? Do you eve realize how strong the stock headbolts are when not untorqued?
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I say that you can achieve 400whp on pump with the cams on a Dynojet easily...
With meth and the cams you can easily exceed 400whp on a Dyno Dynamics (we ve seen a post from Dynoflash with a car that had a HUGE manifold leak, however exceeded 400whp on the Dyno Dynamics).
DEFINITELY you need head studs, fuel pump and i think as well noted you are, we are in the limit of the stocks injectors...
I prefer to use race gas on occassion instead of having meth... So i went with the cams and not the meth kit...
With meth and the cams you can easily exceed 400whp on a Dyno Dynamics (we ve seen a post from Dynoflash with a car that had a HUGE manifold leak, however exceeded 400whp on the Dyno Dynamics).
DEFINITELY you need head studs, fuel pump and i think as well noted you are, we are in the limit of the stocks injectors...
I prefer to use race gas on occassion instead of having meth... So i went with the cams and not the meth kit...
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no need for headstuds, do your homework, they were a fad that cam from the 2g dsms...fuel pump and meth injection is the only needed things before doing cams...
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THANKYOU!
Not only a fad but a downright dangerous thing to do. The head and block must be prepped, new HG installed, and torqued with lube and retorqued as ARP's specs. Not only that but ARP's are NOT reuseable. You must measure and mark them all before installing them and remeasure them if you choose to try to reuse them. Why?
I'm glad you asked. I ****ing hate ARP and their products. I stretched the **** out of my ARP's at the shootout this year. I've had better luck with stock mitsu bolts.
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I ve put 337/342 on a Dyno Dynamics at 22psi spike and i still have a cat and i still don't have aftermarket MAF pipe, o2 housing, manifold, testpipe, instecooler piping, intercooler and wastegate actuator...
400whp is 120% doable on a dynojet on pump gas and that's my target in the next couple of months... i am just gathering parts to install them together...
On a mixture with C16, spike at 30psi (but never holding proper boost due to a leaking bov as i have set up my Greddy bov too soft for such high pressure) we saw 373whp and 422ft-lbs on the Dyno Dynamics...with the 1.12 correction that's 418whp and 473ft-lbs torgue on a Dynojet...Can't imagine the numbers with the rest parts that i need and race gas... Definitely will exceed 400whp on the Dyno Dynamics...
P.S. Meth is a little bit risky for me and i don't need it every day... When i want to race the car i simply "mix" in my garage and i am ready to rock'n'roll...
400whp is 120% doable on a dynojet on pump gas and that's my target in the next couple of months... i am just gathering parts to install them together...
On a mixture with C16, spike at 30psi (but never holding proper boost due to a leaking bov as i have set up my Greddy bov too soft for such high pressure) we saw 373whp and 422ft-lbs on the Dyno Dynamics...with the 1.12 correction that's 418whp and 473ft-lbs torgue on a Dynojet...Can't imagine the numbers with the rest parts that i need and race gas... Definitely will exceed 400whp on the Dyno Dynamics...
P.S. Meth is a little bit risky for me and i don't need it every day... When i want to race the car i simply "mix" in my garage and i am ready to rock'n'roll...
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so you guys dont suggest in getting apr studs running 22 23 psi no meth nothing like that bolts on and cams?? safer being with out them unless the proper install?
THANKYOU!
Not only a fad but a downright dangerous thing to do. The head and block must be prepped, new HG installed, and torqued with lube and retorqued as ARP's specs. Not only that but ARP's are NOT reuseable. You must measure and mark them all before installing them and remeasure them if you choose to try to reuse them. Why?
I'm glad you asked. I ****ing hate ARP and their products. I stretched the **** out of my ARP's at the shootout this year. I've had better luck with stock mitsu bolts.
Not only a fad but a downright dangerous thing to do. The head and block must be prepped, new HG installed, and torqued with lube and retorqued as ARP's specs. Not only that but ARP's are NOT reuseable. You must measure and mark them all before installing them and remeasure them if you choose to try to reuse them. Why?
I'm glad you asked. I ****ing hate ARP and their products. I stretched the **** out of my ARP's at the shootout this year. I've had better luck with stock mitsu bolts.