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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:39 PM
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:40 PM
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only cause the search button takes years, id figure id ask here since we are talking about clutches and whatnot so here is my question:

How much stronger is the clutch on the ix, then on the viii? Whats the difference and the amount of power you can hold on the stock before you need to upgrade? i dont launch too often, but i do love to get it up and going all the time.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fricci4993
Well....I will admit..I truly believe that the dumbest question is the one that never gets asked (seriously). FWIW...Evo's are one of the highest rated performance cars out there. HOWEVER, I personally think that the clutch on a VESPA is much stronger than an evo oem clutch. On the other hand....I am proud to have 62.5K miles on my oem...(no drag launches!) :-)
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only cause the search button takes years, id figure id ask here since we are talking about clutches and whatnot so here is my question:

How much stronger is the clutch on the ix, then on the viii? Whats the difference and the amount of power you can hold on the stock before you need to upgrade? i dont launch too often, but i do love to get it up and going all the time.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ybobbyy311
only cause the search button takes years, id figure id ask here since we are talking about clutches and whatnot so here is my question:

How much stronger is the clutch on the ix, then on the viii? Whats the difference and the amount of power you can hold on the stock before you need to upgrade? i dont launch too often, but i do love to get it up and going all the time.

I don't know the strength differences between the two models.... I have never launched my car, and I have 63k miles on the factory clutch. I have heared of people toasting their clutch after 5 launches with 100 miles on the odometer. I would say if you launch more than twice a year...upgrade!
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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I have the Cusco Twin Disc which is the same as the Exedy and it is very streetable. Since you are doing the clutch anyways you might as well upgrade.
Man, look at your signature... You are a hard core racer. The Cusco twin or Exedy twin are great clutches for big power and for launching hard. However, they are definitely not
as streetable as the stock clutch. I know this for a fact and from extensive experience. In fact, the Exedy twin was so much unstreetable that when I trade it in, the dealer replaced the pratically new Exedy twin with a stock clutch in order to sell it. Nobody at the dealership could drive it with out stalling it... Oh BTW, it was installed and adjusted perfectly and felt exactly like similar clutches in other cars.

I really wish hard core modifiers would not tell regular people how great their highly modified cars run and drive. The truth is that they are not easy to drive, they do not drive, idle, start or anything "just like stock" or even worse, "better than stock". Maybe the guys who enjoy modifying and driving their modified cars don't mind the differences in driveability, but for a regular person those modifications can ruin the driveability of their car. Do not believe that any racing or high performance clutch is going to drive as easy and as nice as the stock clutch. They might last longer under harder use, but they'll make you wish you had your stock clutch if you have start up hill and stop & go traffic in your daily commute....
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:49 PM
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I've noticed that when you burn clutch it has that sour cabbage/kraut smell. If that's what you smelled, it's your clutch .
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 10:00 PM
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Suprisingly, ive only burned it twice since ive bought the car. once really bad and it smelled for at least 2 days, and then the other lasted all of 2 minutes. your right about the sour smell though. ive learned alot about driving this car the past few months. its a lot more different than the previous cars ive owned. It feels like you need more gas or else you get this kind of bogged feeling. but then again this is also the first car ive owned with a stiff clutch. my old vw golf had the smoothest clutch. same thing with the alfa romeo.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by silverEVO8
Man, look at your signature... You are a hard core racer. The Cusco twin or Exedy twin are great clutches for big power and for launching hard. However, they are definitely not
as streetable as the stock clutch. I know this for a fact and from extensive experience. In fact, the Exedy twin was so much unstreetable that when I trade it in, the dealer replaced the pratically new Exedy twin with a stock clutch in order to sell it. Nobody at the dealership could drive it with out stalling it... Oh BTW, it was installed and adjusted perfectly and felt exactly like similar clutches in other cars.

I really wish hard core modifiers would not tell regular people how great their highly modified cars run and drive. The truth is that they are not easy to drive, they do not drive, idle, start or anything "just like stock" or even worse, "better than stock". Maybe the guys who enjoy modifying and driving their modified cars don't mind the differences in driveability, but for a regular person those modifications can ruin the driveability of their car. Do not believe that any racing or high performance clutch is going to drive as easy and as nice as the stock clutch. They might last longer under harder use, but they'll make you wish you had your stock clutch if you have start up hill and stop & go traffic in your daily commute....
First of all Im not a "hardcore racer". I go when I can maybe 4-5 times a year. Ive had the clutch in the car since I had TBE, MBC, and flash. Its very streetable, never said it was the same as stock. My wife can drive it very easily and she doesnt drive many manual cars. Its people like you that make people scared to do mods because they feel they are going to make their car "undrivable".
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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That's my point - it amazes me that people are using the Evo as their entry point to driving a manual. Most normal people have driven several beaters while growing up before getting into a near supercar, and it doesn't take a powerful car to wear out a clutch - it's something that wears out on all manual cars.

Also, if he were learning, he would have found on his own that it was his clutch by reading through the tons and tons of other examples where people said the same thing. I'd say he hasn't learned a thing until just this moment.
evo was my first car ever... dang. passed the whole beater point altogether
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by vegasboy301
evo was my first car ever... dang. passed the whole beater point altogether
You could do what I did and regressed to beater status. I bought the Evo, then a '87 Civic for the winter beater
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NIevo
You could do what I did and regressed to beater status. I bought the Evo, then a '87 Civic for the winter beater
nice... ive had my car for about 4 years now... still strong at 70k miles
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 10:22 PM
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dang, thats pretty good. ill be there way before i hit the 4 yr mark. i bought the car in july and right now i have 17700. but thats only cause i drive from san dog to vegas and also my visits to family in pheonix, not only that but the wifes family is in LA, so im constantly driving (fast i might add) highway miles.
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Old Jan 30, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ybobbyy311
dang, thats pretty good. ill be there way before i hit the 4 yr mark. i bought the car in july and right now i have 17700. but thats only cause i drive from san dog to vegas and also my visits to family in pheonix, not only that but the wifes family is in LA, so im constantly driving (fast i might add) highway miles.
nice... yeah ive driven to la over 20 times, and phoenix a good 10 times... im actually making a trip to orange county in 2 weeks... more miles.. gotta do an oil change before then though
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
That's my point - it amazes me that people are using the Evo as their entry point to driving a manual. Most normal people have driven several beaters while growing up before getting into a near supercar, and it doesn't take a powerful car to wear out a clutch - it's something that wears out on all manual cars.

Also, if he were learning, he would have found on his own that it was his clutch by reading through the tons and tons of other examples where people said the same thing. I'd say he hasn't learned a thing until just this moment.
Well I, for one, learned to drive a stick on a 2003 SVT Cobra Mustang 390 hp is no slouch either.

Speaking of which, the stock clutch on the cobra is much stiffer than the clutch on the evo. I still found it very streetable, however, though that might just be because it was what I learned on so I didn't know any better. Does anybody know how the stock cobra clutch compares to an Exedy or Cusco twin plate in terms of driveability? I don't mind a stiffer clutch, but I don't want something that's like a switch, either. Also, anybody know how the Works stage 2 clutch performs? It's supposed to have better holding power and still feel like stock.

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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by burchdc
Well I, for one, learned to drive a stick on a 2003 SVT Cobra Mustang 390 hp is no slouch either.

Speaking of which, the stock clutch on the cobra is much stiffer than the clutch on the evo. I still found it very streetable, however, though that might just be because it was what I learned on so I didn't know any better. Does anybody know how the stock cobra clutch compares to an Exedy or Cusco twin plate in terms of driveability? I don't mind a stiffer clutch, but I don't want something that's like a switch, either. Also, anybody know how the Works stage 2 clutch performs? It's supposed to have better holding power and still feel like stock.
The Exedy twin or the Cusco twin (they are practically identical) are not too stiff. The problem as I see it (and experieced it) is that they are more like a switch. I don't think they are as much like a switch as an all out racing clutch like you find in the racing cars which are towed to the track and pushed around in the paddocks, but they are in between a high performance car clutch and a race car clutch.

Please don't think I'm criticizing those clutches. They are great for their job and yes, they can be street driven. But make no mistake about it, they are not as streetable as the stock clutch and they are very difficult to modulate. If you stop for a light or for heavy traffic in a steep hill, you are very likely to stall the car or to spin the tires. There is nothing in between.
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