im just curious, and im not trying to be mean, but have you ever been in a car with an evo with a 35R?


either way you go your getting a quality product, both shops invest alot of time and RDR, I've experianced both kits, and i cant say that ones better then the other, both different in there own apects. From a finacal point of view, the BR kit alows you to spend that extra 1000 on other things that you might need like you mentioned. have a converstaion with both shops and see what makes them different from each other.

 

Unless you are willing to accept huge lag (compared to stock), the 35R or 37R will be disappointing for you. They both come on in a power band above 5000 RPM, and really need a powerband till 8500 or 9000 RPM to get full use from them. They are efficient at pressures above 25PSI, which most stock blocks won't handle for long. If you look at dyno graphs posted here in many threads, the smaller turbos make 500HP, but make it much earlier in the powerband and have more area under the curve under 5000RPM. If you are building an all out drag only monster, these turbos are at the top of the pile. If you want to drive it on the street, with better on throttle accelleration and not having to rev to 4500+ to start your powerband, think 3065 or similar.

If you're looking to spend that kind of money, take a look at the Shearer kit, which is hand made, beautifully done, and has a LIFETIME WARRANTY. If you get the Buschur kit, with the tubular manifold (not the cast one), that used to be made by Shearer as well. It's a very nice manifold and will work well with any of the turbos mentioned, except for the 3065, which requires a different flange, as it's turbine housing was designed for a DSM, not a Garrett.

 

damn. i dont know what to say. it goes both ways. some people say spend the extra 1000 for ams and some say go with buschur and spend the 1000 on something else. well im set on 35r or 37r because eventually probably within 3 months, im going with the ams 2.3l or 2.0 shortblock. im going to stick with the cosworth cams cuz ive heard good about them. from what i have ..tell me what u would go with for now... ams front mount, ams vsr intake manifold, ams 880cc injectors, ams fuel rail with reg, ams alcohol injection, walboro fuel pump, koyo radiator,act street clutch. anything u guys think i should change or not install?......IS THE BUSCHUR GT67 P TRIM THE SAME THING AS A 37R?

 

ams

 

evo no, sti yes. and it was nothing impressive, but i think thats just cuz it was an sti. haha.

and from what i have herd from others such as Malibujack, around town with a 2.0 its all about rpms . now i know i dont shift at 5k every time, but hey who am i to talk like u said, i have never been in an evo with a 35r.

 

Have you considered Shearer? They have very nice kits.

 

I'd go with at least 1000cc injectors with the output of a 35R or 37R. You can easily keep them under control with the AEM if you're going the standalone route. You'll need a substantial fuel system upgrade, and AMS and Buschur (and others) can provide you with a solution there. You might consider buying all of your needed fuel system upgrades from the same vendor simply to make sure that the parts "match". AMS no longer sells alcohol injection. You'll soon need to consider a stronger clutch than you mentioned if you're building 500+HP car.

Most of the "37R" turbos are a hybrid built by Precision Turbo using a Garrett CHRA. I think that they are the same, but I'd ask for specifics to make sure. If you're not buying and installing immediately, you might consider talking to Forced Performance, who are in the final phases of testing a 35/37R variant with a custom compressor wheel, which is the new 35R that Buschur has been posting about. That turbo may yield some additional power under the curve at no extra cost.

 

If i choose a word for an Evo w/ a 35r and supporting mods, it would be Violent. Thing that bothers me is that people don't always have a clue how fast 400whp is, nevermind 600

moving on

My buddy has an STI with a 35r and it made some good power but it was smooth, he's got that thing tuned to the high heavens though. and it pulls very hard. but then again hes a greaet driver running 28psi all the time with a meth tune. So i dont know what to tell you there.

heres a vid of his car messing around with a supercharged camry (Dont laugh its pretty quick for what it is ! )

STI has following major mods.

GT35R
Fully Built motor
ACT clutch
3in downpipe into Greddy EVO cat back
UTEC w/ tuner pro
Tuned by F1 dyno
Perrin FMIC
Annddd not sure about the rest.
Think hes running ALKY too.

Thats all i know for mods off the top of my head.

The other car is a 2002 CAMRY, w/

TRD SuperCharger
Cat back
y pipe
All supporting mods.
I know that he runs about 13.8s at the track last year on this setup. I havent talked to him in a while so im not sure what he has done it in this vid.




STI Vs. CAmry :-)

 

It's hard to choose between those 2 shops b/c they are both awesome. I had my motor built by AMS and got my turbo kit from Buschur. AMS is close for me so work or tuning on my car is without a question going to be at their shop. I don't know the exact differences in the kits but i do know that the Buschur kit is 1k cheaper and that is a litte bit more attractive to me. Either way you can't go wrong with these 2 awesome companies. If your looking at the 37r I would also consider the AMS twin rail manifold as a fuel option.

 

your gonan need more than a walbro buddy... gonna need the double one fullblown and bushur are selling.

 

I can't imagine even considering to spend $1000 more when the Buschur kit is the same turbo with a Shearer built exhaust manifold. Assume that both are the same quality, why would you pay more? I've had 2 cars built by Buschur and absolutely would do it 5 times again. I have the buschur T-67 (37R) and couldn't be happier. Spend the time to think out the complete build before jumping in. 880's won't get the job done if you're going to try to max the turbo. 1000's won't even get the job done. Plan your work, then work your plan. Use the extra $1000 for a set of tires or something.

 

i would save my money and go w/ buschur!!! both are a great company and both make great power...

 

Well said....I will just simply say +1

 

ams hands down although the 3 bolt flanges make for an inconvience

 

monies41, For an extra $1000, it would be more like 'Hands up'; jk,