Ams Gt37r Kit Or Buschur Gt37r Kit?
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IMO AMS is not overpriced it's just that Buschur has an exrtremely fair price. Can't beat the quality and llifetime warranty on the Shearer manny with the Bushur ingenuity plus the better prize. Their 35r kit with the cast manifold is an even better deal. With that being said, if I was going with all AMS supporting parts(FMIC, engine, LICP etc) I would stick with the AMS turbo kit. If it was my money I would leave my car at Bushurs with a blank check though.
Buschur FTW. 1k cheaper and you know it better cause it is from the most talked about 4g63 guy ever
No seriously Buschur parts are EXTREMLY well made and are PROVINE
I have my reasons for not liking AMS, and there products
No seriously Buschur parts are EXTREMLY well made and are PROVINE I have my reasons for not liking AMS, and there products
I figured I would jump in to provide some input....
Buschur's GT67 P Trim turbo kit does not come with water lines according to the discription on his website. There are also no water lines in the picture of the kit. If it does not come with water lines, I doubt the the turbo is ball bearing.
Here is a list of things that come with our turbo kit that are not included with Buschur's kit:
Water Lines
Down Pipe
Intake
re-routed waste gate dump
Also, If the turbo is not water cooled, there is a difference of $400 between our turbo and theres.
Feel free to correct me if I made an incorrect statment.
Either way you look at it, we both make a quality product.
You sometimes have to look a little deeper into the details.
Frank
Buschur's GT67 P Trim turbo kit does not come with water lines according to the discription on his website. There are also no water lines in the picture of the kit. If it does not come with water lines, I doubt the the turbo is ball bearing.
Here is a list of things that come with our turbo kit that are not included with Buschur's kit:
Water Lines
Down Pipe
Intake
re-routed waste gate dump
Also, If the turbo is not water cooled, there is a difference of $400 between our turbo and theres.
Feel free to correct me if I made an incorrect statment.
Either way you look at it, we both make a quality product.
You sometimes have to look a little deeper into the details.
Frank
for those that are stating we are overpriced. You are comparing two different kits. There is more money in parts and labor invested in making our kit. Hence the price difference.
Those things Frank listed about cost a lot of money to make. If I had to sell our O2 housing to an end user I would have to charge $550 for what we have into it. The downpipe would run $300 and the Intake $200.00 etc.
Not all kits are equal. I am in no way downing the buschur kit, its a great piece but ours cost more becuase it costs more to make.
Eric
Those things Frank listed about cost a lot of money to make. If I had to sell our O2 housing to an end user I would have to charge $550 for what we have into it. The downpipe would run $300 and the Intake $200.00 etc.
Not all kits are equal. I am in no way downing the buschur kit, its a great piece but ours cost more becuase it costs more to make.
Eric
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From: SOCAL
well ive really looked into both. and u guys have helped alot. it goes both ways. both kits have their ups and downs ..im going with ams gt35r because it just seems to be a well rounded and made kit for the money. thanks ams and buschur. i will be purchasing a 35r from ams within the next week. dyno will be poastd within the next 3 months on a evo 9. stock block and head for now. thanks jr
Well bang for bug Buschur all the way!
I was also going for AMS GT 35R but then changed my minD! and bought BR GT35R.
But if your looking for top end power i think HPF GT 35R is also good!
I was also going for AMS GT 35R but then changed my minD! and bought BR GT35R.
But if your looking for top end power i think HPF GT 35R is also good!
for those that are stating we are overpriced. You are comparing two different kits. There is more money in parts and labor invested in making our kit. Hence the price difference.
Those things Frank listed about cost a lot of money to make. If I had to sell our O2 housing to an end user I would have to charge $550 for what we have into it. The downpipe would run $300 and the Intake $200.00 etc.
Not all kits are equal. I am in no way downing the buschur kit, its a great piece but ours cost more becuase it costs more to make.
Eric
Those things Frank listed about cost a lot of money to make. If I had to sell our O2 housing to an end user I would have to charge $550 for what we have into it. The downpipe would run $300 and the Intake $200.00 etc.
Not all kits are equal. I am in no way downing the buschur kit, its a great piece but ours cost more becuase it costs more to make.
Eric
Also how much faster would an Evo IX Spool your GT35R kit Vs. an Evo VIII? Is it significant?
^^^
Exactly, just like HPF using a T4 vs a T3 on a 35R until better times are run why run a T4? No offense to AMS or any other turbokit maker, but all 35R kits all run around 140mph 37R's 145mph give or take a little............sans Curt Brown of course Why pay the premium? It just seems to me that Buschur has the best pricing overall and the performance difference is negligable.
Exactly, just like HPF using a T4 vs a T3 on a 35R until better times are run why run a T4? No offense to AMS or any other turbokit maker, but all 35R kits all run around 140mph 37R's 145mph give or take a little............sans Curt Brown of course
Why pay the premium? It just seems to me that Buschur has the best pricing overall and the performance difference is negligable.
Let me state for the record first:
Our standard GT35R turbo kit with our cast manifold costs only $2995. My EVO8 RS on radials ran 9.97 at 142.32 mph, we drove it to the track, didn't change a thing, ran 9's and drove it home. It is COMPLETE with airbags, carpet, factory seats, door beams etc. That kit works.
The kit your guys are all referring to is our header kit as the "37R" is only available to bolt to the T3 flange. (that is going to change in the upcoming months and we will be able to put that turbo on our cast manifold too). We have made huge power with this turbo, which is actually a turbo that has been around for Buicks for quite some time. It is a ballbearing 67 P trim turbo. IT IS BALLBEARING AND IT IS WATER COOLED.
That kit with the header, ballbearing turbo charger, oil feed and return lines, 44 mm Tial wastegate and dump tube kit is $3695. The header comes with a lifetime warranty.
The kit does not come with a new MAF inlet pipe, most guys already have a 3" MAF inlet which goes right onto the turbo and works PERFECTLY with a 3" to 4" coupling. No need to add cost to a kit for something most guys have by this time of the build.
The kits DO include a 3" V-band downpipe with them. Our 02 housing is also 3" and is V-band at the downpipe connection.
There is no need to include waterlines and add more expense to our kits because the water lines from your stock turbo bolt right to the turbo and fit better than any aftermarket lines. Minor tweaking of the lines to clear the larger compressor cover is needed but it is very simple.
Frank from AMS wrote this:
"I figured I would jump in to provide some input....
Buschur's GT67 P Trim turbo kit does not come with water lines according to the discription on his website. There are also no water lines in the picture of the kit. If it does not come with water lines, I doubt the the turbo is ball bearing.
Here is a list of things that come with our turbo kit that are not included with Buschur's kit:
Water Lines
Down Pipe
Intake
re-routed waste gate dump
Also, If the turbo is not water cooled, there is a difference of $400 between our turbo and theres.
Feel free to correct me if I made an incorrect statment.
Either way you look at it, we both make a quality product.
You sometimes have to look a little deeper into the details.
Frank"
I am a little surprised that someone from AMS would write that here, not sure who Frank is but he must not be in the "know". Our turbos are absolutely ballbearing watercooled units, we don't include the lines as I said, stock ones work and it makes the kit price lower. Also, we do not re-route the wastegate into our 02 housings for a reason, we will NOT re-route our wastegate into the 02 housing, end of story.
So, the difference in the kits to be clear is: With AMS's kit you get water lines, a rerouted wastegate dump and a turbo inlet pipe.
AMS does make a very good quality kit and I would also recommend it to someone asking, I have nothing bad to say about the kit. I just wanted to clear up what was said about ours.
Something else. As most of you know, our dyno reads EXTREMELY low compared to others. My brother has our 67 Ptrim turbo kit on his daily driven 2 liter EVO. His car put down 642 whp on our dyno, we had to limit the car as it has a single fuel pump and was running out of fuel. We just finished 9sec9's car here with the same 67 Ptrim turbo kit on his car, 2006, EVO9. With Cosworth cams and a 2 liter his car put down 649 whp on our dyno. Extremely conservative AFR's on that car, the video can be seen here on EVOm.
Anyway.....................there's the information on the kits. Spend your money where it makes YOU the happiest. The rest of our opinions, once you have the facts, don't really matter.
Have a great day.
Our standard GT35R turbo kit with our cast manifold costs only $2995. My EVO8 RS on radials ran 9.97 at 142.32 mph, we drove it to the track, didn't change a thing, ran 9's and drove it home. It is COMPLETE with airbags, carpet, factory seats, door beams etc. That kit works.
The kit your guys are all referring to is our header kit as the "37R" is only available to bolt to the T3 flange. (that is going to change in the upcoming months and we will be able to put that turbo on our cast manifold too). We have made huge power with this turbo, which is actually a turbo that has been around for Buicks for quite some time. It is a ballbearing 67 P trim turbo. IT IS BALLBEARING AND IT IS WATER COOLED.
That kit with the header, ballbearing turbo charger, oil feed and return lines, 44 mm Tial wastegate and dump tube kit is $3695. The header comes with a lifetime warranty.
The kit does not come with a new MAF inlet pipe, most guys already have a 3" MAF inlet which goes right onto the turbo and works PERFECTLY with a 3" to 4" coupling. No need to add cost to a kit for something most guys have by this time of the build.
The kits DO include a 3" V-band downpipe with them. Our 02 housing is also 3" and is V-band at the downpipe connection.
There is no need to include waterlines and add more expense to our kits because the water lines from your stock turbo bolt right to the turbo and fit better than any aftermarket lines. Minor tweaking of the lines to clear the larger compressor cover is needed but it is very simple.
Frank from AMS wrote this:
"I figured I would jump in to provide some input....
Buschur's GT67 P Trim turbo kit does not come with water lines according to the discription on his website. There are also no water lines in the picture of the kit. If it does not come with water lines, I doubt the the turbo is ball bearing.
Here is a list of things that come with our turbo kit that are not included with Buschur's kit:
Water Lines
Down Pipe
Intake
re-routed waste gate dump
Also, If the turbo is not water cooled, there is a difference of $400 between our turbo and theres.
Feel free to correct me if I made an incorrect statment.
Either way you look at it, we both make a quality product.
You sometimes have to look a little deeper into the details.
Frank"
I am a little surprised that someone from AMS would write that here, not sure who Frank is but he must not be in the "know". Our turbos are absolutely ballbearing watercooled units, we don't include the lines as I said, stock ones work and it makes the kit price lower. Also, we do not re-route the wastegate into our 02 housings for a reason, we will NOT re-route our wastegate into the 02 housing, end of story.
So, the difference in the kits to be clear is: With AMS's kit you get water lines, a rerouted wastegate dump and a turbo inlet pipe.
AMS does make a very good quality kit and I would also recommend it to someone asking, I have nothing bad to say about the kit. I just wanted to clear up what was said about ours.
Something else. As most of you know, our dyno reads EXTREMELY low compared to others. My brother has our 67 Ptrim turbo kit on his daily driven 2 liter EVO. His car put down 642 whp on our dyno, we had to limit the car as it has a single fuel pump and was running out of fuel. We just finished 9sec9's car here with the same 67 Ptrim turbo kit on his car, 2006, EVO9. With Cosworth cams and a 2 liter his car put down 649 whp on our dyno. Extremely conservative AFR's on that car, the video can be seen here on EVOm.
Anyway.....................there's the information on the kits. Spend your money where it makes YOU the happiest. The rest of our opinions, once you have the facts, don't really matter.
Have a great day.
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From: SOCAL
Buschur Racing,
So Would U Recommend Your Gt37r Kit(p Trim) On A Stock Block Evo 9 With Some Cosworth Cams?...not Daily Driven. Just A Night/weekend Car! And Can U Tell Me Exactly What That Kit Comes With? Im Still Thinking About Both Kits! Does Your Kit Come With A 3" Downpipe. I Dont Mind The Ss Tubular Header. Will It Be Safe For High Boost On A Stock Block?
So Would U Recommend Your Gt37r Kit(p Trim) On A Stock Block Evo 9 With Some Cosworth Cams?...not Daily Driven. Just A Night/weekend Car! And Can U Tell Me Exactly What That Kit Comes With? Im Still Thinking About Both Kits! Does Your Kit Come With A 3" Downpipe. I Dont Mind The Ss Tubular Header. Will It Be Safe For High Boost On A Stock Block?