Ams Gt37r Kit Or Buschur Gt37r Kit?
Dave,
Frank was stating what he saw, it was an easy mistake and after looking at the pictures and description initally I can see how he came to that assumption.
In the end it was an assumption and He meant no harm.
As David and I have allready stated they are both well made kits that make power. Ours costs more to make and hence the price increase.
Eric
Frank was stating what he saw, it was an easy mistake and after looking at the pictures and description initally I can see how he came to that assumption.
In the end it was an assumption and He meant no harm.
As David and I have allready stated they are both well made kits that make power. Ours costs more to make and hence the price increase.
Eric
I just listed the parts our kit comes with in the above paragraph. Check it out please. It does come with a downpipe.
Would I recommend it for your car? I've made over 500 whp on our dyno with stock block cars. The problem with the stock block is more RPM related than HP. Since you are going with a fairly large turbo you will not make 20 psi of boost until about 4500 rpm. This means if you limit your RPM to 7500 on the stock block you have a power band of maybe 3,000 rpm. You have to decide if that is exceptable.
Make sure you have our Stages 1-4 before even considering a turbo upgrade of any kind and I wouldn't advise this turbo for any car running a stock ECU.
Would I recommend it for your car? I've made over 500 whp on our dyno with stock block cars. The problem with the stock block is more RPM related than HP. Since you are going with a fairly large turbo you will not make 20 psi of boost until about 4500 rpm. This means if you limit your RPM to 7500 on the stock block you have a power band of maybe 3,000 rpm. You have to decide if that is exceptable.
Make sure you have our Stages 1-4 before even considering a turbo upgrade of any kind and I wouldn't advise this turbo for any car running a stock ECU.
quick question Dave, now i know u dont re-route the wastegate back into the DP, but is there a specfic reason for this? meaning power gains. persoally i love how u guys do that, but some people do like the added sound.is it just to make fabrication easier?
Let me state for the record first:
Our standard GT35R turbo kit with our cast manifold costs only $2995. My EVO8 RS on radials ran 9.97 at 142.32 mph, we drove it to the track, didn't change a thing, ran 9's and drove it home. It is COMPLETE with airbags, carpet, factory seats, door beams etc. That kit works.
The kit your guys are all referring to is our header kit as the "37R" is only available to bolt to the T3 flange. (that is going to change in the upcoming months and we will be able to put that turbo on our cast manifold too). We have made huge power with this turbo, which is actually a turbo that has been around for Buicks for quite some time. It is a ballbearing 67 P trim turbo. IT IS BALLBEARING AND IT IS WATER COOLED.
That kit with the header, ballbearing turbo charger, oil feed and return lines, 44 mm Tial wastegate and dump tube kit is $3695. The header comes with a lifetime warranty.
The kit does not come with a new MAF inlet pipe, most guys already have a 3" MAF inlet which goes right onto the turbo and works PERFECTLY with a 3" to 4" coupling. No need to add cost to a kit for something most guys have by this time of the build.
The kits DO include a 3" V-band downpipe with them. Our 02 housing is also 3" and is V-band at the downpipe connection.
There is no need to include waterlines and add more expense to our kits because the water lines from your stock turbo bolt right to the turbo and fit better than any aftermarket lines. Minor tweaking of the lines to clear the larger compressor cover is needed but it is very simple.
Frank from AMS wrote this:
"I figured I would jump in to provide some input....
Buschur's GT67 P Trim turbo kit does not come with water lines according to the discription on his website. There are also no water lines in the picture of the kit. If it does not come with water lines, I doubt the the turbo is ball bearing.
Here is a list of things that come with our turbo kit that are not included with Buschur's kit:
Water Lines
Down Pipe
Intake
re-routed waste gate dump
Also, If the turbo is not water cooled, there is a difference of $400 between our turbo and theres.
Feel free to correct me if I made an incorrect statment.
Either way you look at it, we both make a quality product.
You sometimes have to look a little deeper into the details.
Frank"
I am a little surprised that someone from AMS would write that here, not sure who Frank is but he must not be in the "know". Our turbos are absolutely ballbearing watercooled units, we don't include the lines as I said, stock ones work and it makes the kit price lower. Also, we do not re-route the wastegate into our 02 housings for a reason, we will NOT re-route our wastegate into the 02 housing, end of story.
So, the difference in the kits to be clear is: With AMS's kit you get water lines, a rerouted wastegate dump and a turbo inlet pipe.
AMS does make a very good quality kit and I would also recommend it to someone asking, I have nothing bad to say about the kit. I just wanted to clear up what was said about ours.
Something else. As most of you know, our dyno reads EXTREMELY low compared to others. My brother has our 67 Ptrim turbo kit on his daily driven 2 liter EVO. His car put down 642 whp on our dyno, we had to limit the car as it has a single fuel pump and was running out of fuel. We just finished 9sec9's car here with the same 67 Ptrim turbo kit on his car, 2006, EVO9. With Cosworth cams and a 2 liter his car put down 649 whp on our dyno. Extremely conservative AFR's on that car, the video can be seen here on EVOm.
Anyway.....................there's the information on the kits. Spend your money where it makes YOU the happiest. The rest of our opinions, once you have the facts, don't really matter.
Have a great day.
Our standard GT35R turbo kit with our cast manifold costs only $2995. My EVO8 RS on radials ran 9.97 at 142.32 mph, we drove it to the track, didn't change a thing, ran 9's and drove it home. It is COMPLETE with airbags, carpet, factory seats, door beams etc. That kit works.
The kit your guys are all referring to is our header kit as the "37R" is only available to bolt to the T3 flange. (that is going to change in the upcoming months and we will be able to put that turbo on our cast manifold too). We have made huge power with this turbo, which is actually a turbo that has been around for Buicks for quite some time. It is a ballbearing 67 P trim turbo. IT IS BALLBEARING AND IT IS WATER COOLED.
That kit with the header, ballbearing turbo charger, oil feed and return lines, 44 mm Tial wastegate and dump tube kit is $3695. The header comes with a lifetime warranty.
The kit does not come with a new MAF inlet pipe, most guys already have a 3" MAF inlet which goes right onto the turbo and works PERFECTLY with a 3" to 4" coupling. No need to add cost to a kit for something most guys have by this time of the build.
The kits DO include a 3" V-band downpipe with them. Our 02 housing is also 3" and is V-band at the downpipe connection.
There is no need to include waterlines and add more expense to our kits because the water lines from your stock turbo bolt right to the turbo and fit better than any aftermarket lines. Minor tweaking of the lines to clear the larger compressor cover is needed but it is very simple.
Frank from AMS wrote this:
"I figured I would jump in to provide some input....
Buschur's GT67 P Trim turbo kit does not come with water lines according to the discription on his website. There are also no water lines in the picture of the kit. If it does not come with water lines, I doubt the the turbo is ball bearing.
Here is a list of things that come with our turbo kit that are not included with Buschur's kit:
Water Lines
Down Pipe
Intake
re-routed waste gate dump
Also, If the turbo is not water cooled, there is a difference of $400 between our turbo and theres.
Feel free to correct me if I made an incorrect statment.
Either way you look at it, we both make a quality product.
You sometimes have to look a little deeper into the details.
Frank"
I am a little surprised that someone from AMS would write that here, not sure who Frank is but he must not be in the "know". Our turbos are absolutely ballbearing watercooled units, we don't include the lines as I said, stock ones work and it makes the kit price lower. Also, we do not re-route the wastegate into our 02 housings for a reason, we will NOT re-route our wastegate into the 02 housing, end of story.
So, the difference in the kits to be clear is: With AMS's kit you get water lines, a rerouted wastegate dump and a turbo inlet pipe.
AMS does make a very good quality kit and I would also recommend it to someone asking, I have nothing bad to say about the kit. I just wanted to clear up what was said about ours.
Something else. As most of you know, our dyno reads EXTREMELY low compared to others. My brother has our 67 Ptrim turbo kit on his daily driven 2 liter EVO. His car put down 642 whp on our dyno, we had to limit the car as it has a single fuel pump and was running out of fuel. We just finished 9sec9's car here with the same 67 Ptrim turbo kit on his car, 2006, EVO9. With Cosworth cams and a 2 liter his car put down 649 whp on our dyno. Extremely conservative AFR's on that car, the video can be seen here on EVOm.
Anyway.....................there's the information on the kits. Spend your money where it makes YOU the happiest. The rest of our opinions, once you have the facts, don't really matter.
Have a great day.
Between the kind and complementary words from Dave and AMS here, and then their "cooperation" on the new mega fuel kit on another thread 
, there's just no entertainment on this board anymore. Where's martinez when you need him to stir up another thread?
Seriously, it's nice to see a very factual comparison of the included parts for these turbo kits, and additional information about their proper application. If anyone can read, and spends a few hours searching threads like this one, making a mistake on the turbo of choice would be difficult.
Thanks, both AMS and Dave B.
, there's just no entertainment on this board anymore. Where's martinez when you need him to stir up another thread? Seriously, it's nice to see a very factual comparison of the included parts for these turbo kits, and additional information about their proper application. If anyone can read, and spends a few hours searching threads like this one, making a mistake on the turbo of choice would be difficult.
Thanks, both AMS and Dave B.
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Buschur Racing,
So Would U Recommend Your Gt37r Kit(p Trim) On A Stock Block Evo 9 With Some Cosworth Cams?...not Daily Driven. Just A Night/weekend Car! And Can U Tell Me Exactly What That Kit Comes With? Im Still Thinking About Both Kits! Does Your Kit Come With A 3" Downpipe. I Dont Mind The Ss Tubular Header. Will It Be Safe For High Boost On A Stock Block?
So Would U Recommend Your Gt37r Kit(p Trim) On A Stock Block Evo 9 With Some Cosworth Cams?...not Daily Driven. Just A Night/weekend Car! And Can U Tell Me Exactly What That Kit Comes With? Im Still Thinking About Both Kits! Does Your Kit Come With A 3" Downpipe. I Dont Mind The Ss Tubular Header. Will It Be Safe For High Boost On A Stock Block?
anyways dave told you what the kit comes with and everyone has given there opinion on how streetable the kits are.
hope this helps JDM Kid.
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Richy
richy, to say there is no lag is not correct. A stock turbo has lag. A stock turbo on a really good EVO will make 20 psi at 2800 rpm. A GT35R on a really good EVO might make 20 psi at 4,000 rpm. That's lag no matter how you look at it.
I am even stretching for the 4,000 rpm as I'd say it is more often 4400 rpm to see 20 psi.
I am even stretching for the 4,000 rpm as I'd say it is more often 4400 rpm to see 20 psi.
evoracingstar........................look who has a Dynojet and look who has Mustang Dyno. If dyno numbers meant anything that we wouldn't be the fastest.
Thanks for the input though.
Tomorrow hear comments like "On the mood a Dynojet's correction factor is the same as a Mustang Dyno on your Anus"
Thanks for the input though.
Tomorrow hear comments like "On the mood a Dynojet's correction factor is the same as a Mustang Dyno on your Anus"