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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 07:44 PM
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- No one said a cat-back for $800. I said a TBE for $600-800
- He doesn't have a ported turbo to sell, just a regular stock 05
- He obviously doesn't have a custom external dump o2 housing
- The stock LICP is worth nothing, and he doesn't have an aftermarket one
- Your used parts that added up to $1000 do not apply to this person
- My ACT went out after a weekend on the road course. It lasted a year, and I had 100 less whp and 50 less wtq than you. The ACT street is not recommended for a setup like yours (or his)
- I am a low budget racer, too. I ran my 12.2s before getting one sponsor and ran 12.0s with my only sponsorship being a test pipe and downpipe. That's how I GOT my sponsorships. Regardless, your mod list above is closer to $7500 WITHOUT installation, and this guy said he has $6k, so I still don't understand your point...
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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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My Act lasted for 3 years and then I sold the car. It needed an adjustment every now and again but held like a champ and shifted at High RPMS' without protest. It was a very nice clutch for the Evo just like it was for the DSM..
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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 08:21 PM
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There is a lot of good advice here.....

as for supporting mods, it depends on your goals, do your research and see what the fast guys are running...
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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by High_PSI
My Act lasted for 3 years and then I sold the car. It needed an adjustment every now and again but held like a champ and shifted at High RPMS' without protest. It was a very nice clutch for the Evo just like it was for the DSM..
And this was on an Evo with a 50-trim pushing over 400whp and being raced? Doubtful...
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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 11:53 PM
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^^ he could opt for a 6 puct sprung hub design if he plans to push it on a regular basis... That will hold more than a street disc .. I hardly use my car or push it ive only taken it to the track 1 time with this setup and occasional street pull.
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
- No one said a cat-back for $800. I said a TBE for $600-800
- He doesn't have a ported turbo to sell, just a regular stock 05
- He obviously doesn't have a custom external dump o2 housing
- The stock LICP is worth nothing, and he doesn't have an aftermarket one
- Your used parts that added up to $1000 do not apply to this person
- My ACT went out after a weekend on the road course. It lasted a year, and I had 100 less whp and 50 less wtq than you. The ACT street is not recommended for a setup like yours (or his)
- I am a low budget racer, too. I ran my 12.2s before getting one sponsor and ran 12.0s with my only sponsorship being a test pipe and downpipe. That's how I GOT my sponsorships. Regardless, your mod list above is closer to $7500 WITHOUT installation, and this guy said he has $6k, so I still don't understand your point...
My point is you say his $6000 wont be enough for the 50trim + supporting mods, I say Turbotrix will make a sweet deal for him and that money will be enough.

Got it now?
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 06:32 AM
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While everyone is busy debating I'm going to suggest something for Mr Evo MR.

Work on the supporting mods first. Trust me when I tell you that if you try to install a turbo and can't afford the rest to fully extract it's power potential you will be left with a sour taste in your mouth and no money to change it (for awhile).

My suggestions are as follows...and I'll try to be reasonable on prices

Cat-back exhaust--$550 (Yes I said catback cause a turbo kit should come with a DP)
Cams--$500 (I recommend HKS or GSC if you're on the stock head)
Lower IC pipe--$150 (screw the upper, it provides little gain)
Intercooler--$600 (don't skimp on this, go with a known product)
Walboro--$85
Clutch--$800-1400 (if you plan 400hp+ in the future go with a twin)
MBC--$80
ARP Head Studs--$90 (do em while you put the cams in)
Custom Flash--$400

After shipping you're looking at $3900 on these items. Assume that you use a professional shop to install all these parts at $70/hr labor for at least 10 hours...$700. (conservative)

So after that you'll be left with $1400. My suggestion after that is to save that money until you have enough for whatever turbo you choose. Then you'll be ready. In the mean time, you'll enjoy the new found power you just unleashed.
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 06:47 AM
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If you are looking for parts to go along with your upgrade..

I will have 272/272 GSC cams and a hallman mbc

I will let those go for 400 picked up
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
And this was on an Evo with a 50-trim pushing over 400whp and being raced? Doubtful...

No, just a solid 350-350. The Clutch was measured in torque and it was rated at 500 FP's, which even a 50Trim on race gas can't crack. On pump gas generally the 50 Trim has Stock or lower Torque levels. WHP doesn't kill a clutch, torque does. I would immagine that a larger turbo would put LESS punishment then the OEM turbo as it is harder to get them to SNAP to full boost much liker an OEM turbo. As long as the torque levels are below 500, the ACT will be more then enough for a 50 Trim, even if the 50Trim is making 500WHP on race gas and only 420 FP's of torque. I know that there are better clutches out there, it's just that the ACT worked really well for me and can be found for less then half of the price. As long as it is adjusted properly it will shift great and hold for a long time. I know you had issues with shifting up top, I have no idea what they were. You yourself had an amazingly long time on the OEM clutch. It's all in the driver and proper adjustment.

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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 07:02 AM
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The ACT should be more than enough for a 50trim, even on meth. The torque on 50trims is nothing to call home about.
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Soon2BEVO
The ACT should be more than enough for a 50trim, even on meth. The torque on 50trims is nothing to call home about.



Agreed. It is the torque compacity that needs to be monitored, not the WHP. Heck even a GT35R making less then 500 FP of torque woudl work. IDK how well the ACT would handle 8000+ RPM shifts though, but generally for 7500-7800 it worked for me perfectly.
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by High_PSI
Agreed. It is the torque compacity that needs to be monitored, not the WHP. Heck even a GT35R making less then 500 FP of torque woudl work. IDK how well the ACT would handle 8000+ RPM shifts though, but generally for 7500-7800 it worked for me perfectly.

I usually shift at 8000 in 1st gear due to me immediately lighting up the tires, never had a problem. I was very skeptical about getting the ACT after hearing all these high rpm shifting problems, funny I never experienced this though... Thats off topic though!
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Randy
My point is you say his $6000 wont be enough for the 50trim + supporting mods, I say Turbotrix will make a sweet deal for him and that money will be enough.

Got it now?
You're saying they're just going to suddenly chop off a few thousand to get the guy's business? I'll believe it if I see it. Add up the cost of the mods YOU listed and tell me what you get. Everyone else seems to realize that 6k is not enough - I'm not sure why you think TT will lop off $2k just to meet this guy's unrealistic budget.
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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
You're saying they're just going to suddenly chop off a few thousand to get the guy's business? I'll believe it if I see it. Add up the cost of the mods YOU listed and tell me what you get. Everyone else seems to realize that 6k is not enough - I'm not sure why you think TT will lop off $2k just to meet this guy's unrealistic budget.
hey maybe he knows someone, that knows someone, that knows someone.

I just figured that 6 g's is enough with evrything including the turbo.

You guys really know your ****!
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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
You're saying they're just going to suddenly chop off a few thousand to get the guy's business? I'll believe it if I see it. Add up the cost of the mods YOU listed and tell me what you get. Everyone else seems to realize that 6k is not enough - I'm not sure why you think TT will lop off $2k just to meet this guy's unrealistic budget.
No, I think you will never get the point.
Just let the guy call Turbotrix and then he can decide for himself if the $6000 will be enough or not. Thats what Im trying to say.
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