Installed TBE, Lost power...
Installed TBE, Lost power, UPDATE WITH GRAPH
UPDATE IN FIRST POST********************************************** ************************************************** ***
Well, i just put on a TBE and logged some third gear pulls.
Using Dataloglabs program, i overlayed my last third gear pull prior to the addition of the TBE to the current set-up.
The only thing that changed between runs was the TBE. Same boost and everything else constant.
before:323hp 303tq
After:302hp 297tq
I monitored knock and there was around 3 counts max during spool-up then none all the way to red-line.
Timing was pulled slightly around spoolup as well.
I also noticed that i was hitting different load cells (297 load with TBE, 270 without) I dont know if that has anything to do with it.
Anyone else have the same results after installing a TBE?
I do not want to name the TBE but it is a very reputable company, i just want to know why my car reacted negativly to the exhaust. And it has a HFC.
UPDATE:******************************************* ************************************************** *****************
After razorlab kindly pointed me into the right direction, i made the appropriate changes to my fuel table and boost settings, and this is the result....
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...evo/HP-lab.jpg
Benchmark is the latest, dark colored lines are the problem lines...
This is a comparison between my previous best, to current with TBE and minor changes....

Again, light colors are most current (TBE slight tune) versus dark colored (previous best)
Well, i just put on a TBE and logged some third gear pulls.
Using Dataloglabs program, i overlayed my last third gear pull prior to the addition of the TBE to the current set-up.
The only thing that changed between runs was the TBE. Same boost and everything else constant.
before:323hp 303tq
After:302hp 297tq
I monitored knock and there was around 3 counts max during spool-up then none all the way to red-line.
Timing was pulled slightly around spoolup as well.
I also noticed that i was hitting different load cells (297 load with TBE, 270 without) I dont know if that has anything to do with it.
Anyone else have the same results after installing a TBE?
I do not want to name the TBE but it is a very reputable company, i just want to know why my car reacted negativly to the exhaust. And it has a HFC.
UPDATE:******************************************* ************************************************** *****************
After razorlab kindly pointed me into the right direction, i made the appropriate changes to my fuel table and boost settings, and this is the result....
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...evo/HP-lab.jpg
Benchmark is the latest, dark colored lines are the problem lines...
This is a comparison between my previous best, to current with TBE and minor changes....

Again, light colors are most current (TBE slight tune) versus dark colored (previous best)
Last edited by electricevo; Mar 3, 2007 at 05:05 PM.
That makes no sense at all, im assuming with the HP numbers this was done on a dyno, and was it retuned? Although, even without a retune you should be gaining 25-30 wheel on a TBE.
That makes no sense at all, im assuming with the HP numbers this was done on a dyno, and was it retuned? Although, even without a retune you should be gaining 25-30 wheel on a TBE.
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Temps in both runs were 36-39 degrees. humidity was the same...I cant think of any logical explanations as to why this happened. IM going to log somemore runs right now and see what happens...
Maybe My car ECU has to get used to it
Maybe My car ECU has to get used to it
post pictures of your exhaust and someone will be able to identify it
your car should not have lost power...if anything, you should've lost bottom end due to bigger piping and gained top.
pictures pictures
your car should not have lost power...if anything, you should've lost bottom end due to bigger piping and gained top.
pictures pictures
With a TBE, less backpressure=faster spool which usually means increased bottom end torque correct?
I just got back from more data logging and this is a current log....
RPM KnockSum TimingAdv LoadCalc
2781.25 0 33 53.09
2781.25 0 34 48.11
2781.25 0 35 37.85
2781.25 0 33 38
2781.25 0 35 32.57
2812.5 0 35 37.85
2812.5 0 36 32.72
2812.5 0 35 32.87
2812.5 0 35 38
2812.5 0 35 53.09
2812.5 0 30 73.61
2812.5 0 29 84.02
2843.75 0 23 114.8
2906.25 0 19 137.24
2968.75 0 14 158.82
3031.25 0 9 182.86
3093.75 0 5 216.02
3187.5 0 2 249.8
3312.5 0 -4 297.97
3406.25 3 -5 294.15
3531.25 3 -2 279.42
3656.25 3 -2 273.95
3812.5 2 -1 263.82
3937.5 3 -1 268.14
4093.75 3 0 269.41
4218.75 3 1 267.36
4343.75 3 1 265.78
4500 2 1 267.26
4625 2 1 263.61
4750 2 1 267.93
4906.25 2 3 260.07
5062.5 1 2 263.61
5187.5 1 3 263.61
5312.5 2 3 262.88
5468.75 2 4 260.66
5593.75 2 4 261.3
5718.75 2 5 258.42
5843.75 1 7 254.79
5937.5 1 7 255.59
6250 1 9 244.93
6343.75 0 11 238.96
6468.75 0 11 237.65
6593.75 0 11 236.36
6687.5 0 11 237.25
6812.5 0 34 2.14
6750 0 38 11.71
6750 0 38 16.43
6718.75 0 38 11.85
6562.5 0 38 16.84
6562.5 0 38 16.84
6468.75 0 38 16.97
6375 0 37 16.97
6281.25 0 37 17.1
6187.5 0 36 17.23
6125 0 36 17.23
6062.5 0 35 17.36
5968.75 0 35 17.36
5843.75 0 35 17.63
5812.5 0 35 17.48
5687.5 0 35 17.63
5656.25 0 35 17.63
5593.75 0 35 17.63
5500 0 35 17.63
Does anyone notice the timing around 3k?
I just got back from more data logging and this is a current log....
RPM KnockSum TimingAdv LoadCalc
2781.25 0 33 53.09
2781.25 0 34 48.11
2781.25 0 35 37.85
2781.25 0 33 38
2781.25 0 35 32.57
2812.5 0 35 37.85
2812.5 0 36 32.72
2812.5 0 35 32.87
2812.5 0 35 38
2812.5 0 35 53.09
2812.5 0 30 73.61
2812.5 0 29 84.02
2843.75 0 23 114.8
2906.25 0 19 137.24
2968.75 0 14 158.82
3031.25 0 9 182.86
3093.75 0 5 216.02
3187.5 0 2 249.8
3312.5 0 -4 297.97
3406.25 3 -5 294.15
3531.25 3 -2 279.42
3656.25 3 -2 273.95
3812.5 2 -1 263.82
3937.5 3 -1 268.14
4093.75 3 0 269.41
4218.75 3 1 267.36
4343.75 3 1 265.78
4500 2 1 267.26
4625 2 1 263.61
4750 2 1 267.93
4906.25 2 3 260.07
5062.5 1 2 263.61
5187.5 1 3 263.61
5312.5 2 3 262.88
5468.75 2 4 260.66
5593.75 2 4 261.3
5718.75 2 5 258.42
5843.75 1 7 254.79
5937.5 1 7 255.59
6250 1 9 244.93
6343.75 0 11 238.96
6468.75 0 11 237.65
6593.75 0 11 236.36
6687.5 0 11 237.25
6812.5 0 34 2.14
6750 0 38 11.71
6750 0 38 16.43
6718.75 0 38 11.85
6562.5 0 38 16.84
6562.5 0 38 16.84
6468.75 0 38 16.97
6375 0 37 16.97
6281.25 0 37 17.1
6187.5 0 36 17.23
6125 0 36 17.23
6062.5 0 35 17.36
5968.75 0 35 17.36
5843.75 0 35 17.63
5812.5 0 35 17.48
5687.5 0 35 17.63
5656.25 0 35 17.63
5593.75 0 35 17.63
5500 0 35 17.63
Does anyone notice the timing around 3k?
Normal.
ECU automatically reduces boost because of increased airflow if i recall correctly (the airflow part not ecu reducing boost).
Great gains can be made from a custom reflash on the IX, I would get a mbc + tune.
ECU automatically reduces boost because of increased airflow if i recall correctly (the airflow part not ecu reducing boost).
Great gains can be made from a custom reflash on the IX, I would get a mbc + tune.
Last edited by thatguy; Feb 28, 2007 at 05:13 PM.
Normal.
ECU automatically reduces boost because of increased airflow if i recall correctly.
I would get a mbc + tune.
ECU automatically reduces boost because of increased airflow if i recall correctly.
I would get a mbc + tune.
I have a hallman MBC set to 23psi spike, 20ish psi redline. I am tuning it myself once my wideband gets in.



