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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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I think I just found out why the guy sold the car. Sorry
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:20 PM
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It could be oil seals, valve stem seals, head gasket....there are many things that can cause this. One thing is for sure, oil in the combustion chamber can lower the detonation threshold greatly causing detonation(if the plug is not fouled out first). So be careful....if you run the car hard with oil in the mixture, you can do damage from detonation, especially if the engine is tuned for max power(ignition timing and leaner AFR's).

Also, deposits on your bumper are totally normal if you are not running a cat. This is carbon deposits from unburnt fuel from running rich and not having a cat to burn up the excess hydrocarbons. Also, a puff of DARK smoke at WOT is normal too, as this again, is unburnt fuel. If you car is smoking white or white/blueish smoke, that is oil.

You should take a pic of the plug in question. I would like to see it's state. A fouled plug from excessive rich AFR's or too cold of a heat range with will look black and nasty. Some people mistake this for oil fouling.

If it is indeed oil, a leak down test need to happen and if that comes back positive, you will need to pull the head at the least.

Hell, if it's a bad ring or worse, you might as well swap out the pistons and rods/rod bolts with some forged pistons and billet rods and ARP rod bolts, while you have the head off(as long as the bore is in good shape and there is no scaring). It would be easy to do once the head is off, all you gotta go is drop the oil pan to expose the bottom of the rotating assembly(well, it's a little more in depth than that, but most of the work is done from that point on).

CJ

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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by iTune
It could be oil seals, valve stem seals, head gasket....there are many things that can cause this. One thing is for sure, oil in the combustion chamber can lower the detonation threshold greatly causing detonation(if the plug is not fouled out first). So be careful....if you run the car hard with oil in the mixture, you can do damage from detonation, especially if the engine is tuned for max power(ignition timing and leaner AFR's).

Also, deposits on your bumper are totally normal if you are not running a cat. This is carbon deposits from unburnt fuel from running rich and not having a cat to burn up the excess hydrocarbons. Also, a puff of DARK smoke at WOT is normal too, as this again, is unburnt fuel. If you car is smoking white or white/blueish smoke, that is oil.

You should take a pic of the plug in question. I would like to see it's state. A fouled plug from excessive rich AFR's or too cold of a heat range with will look black and nasty. Some people mistake this for oil fouling.

If it is indeed oil, a leak down test need to happen and if that comes back positive, you will need to pull the head at the least.

Hell, if it's a bad ring or worse, you might as well swap out the pistons and rods/rod bolts with some forged pistons and billet rods and ARP rod bolts, while you have the head off. It would be easy to do once the head is off, all you gotta go is drop the oil pan to expose the bottom of the rotating assembly(well, it's a little more in depth than that, but most of the work is done from that point on).

CJ

I will take a picture of the plug tomorrow. The plugs are NKG 7iridium heat range. The car smokes black at WOT, not a blueish white. Also smells like gas, not a burnt oil smell.

(Will synthetic oil burning smell like Dino oil when burning?)

Thanks
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DS-03evo
I will take a picture of the plug tomorrow. The plugs are NKG 7iridium heat range. The car smokes black at WOT, not a blueish white. Also smells like gas, not a burnt oil smell.

(Will synthetic oil burning smell like Dino oil when burning?)

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did it look like this(bottom plug in top pic)? If so, this is wet fouling and it actually fuel and the plug is fouled or cannot warm up to self cleaning temp. The dark deposits are carbon build up and the wet look is from fuel. It looks a lot like oil, but may not be.



An oily plug can sometimes be confused with a wet plug, a wet plug will be smooth, where as an oily plug will have small deposits on it


CJ

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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:53 PM
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if it's actually wet, get some on your fingers and rub them together, see if it's slippery. if they're being fouled with gas, maybe you have a bad coil that's not firing the plug.
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hondafan
if it's actually wet, get some on your fingers and rub them together, see if it's slippery. if they're being fouled with gas, maybe you have a bad coil that's not firing the plug.
or a faulty injector stuck open.

CJ
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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iTune... It looks just like the one you have pictured on the bottom!
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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iTune... It looks just like the one you have pictured on the bottom!
oh ****...... thats oil man. i'm sorry.

time to figure out whats causing it.
CJ
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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If it is oil on the plug will it just rub off on my fingers, or will it be like hard and crusty like?
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DS-03evo
If it is oil on the plug will it just rub off on my fingers, or will it be like hard and crusty like?
i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if it really looks like that with deposits on it and it's not smooth, thats oil no matter what it does if you touch it.

EDIT-wait, bottom of which pic?? The bottom of the top pic or the bottom pic with the plug that is alone?

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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 09:43 PM
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Sorry, i could of done a better job in explaining the pics. The top pic with the three plugs shows what a plug looks like going from a wet fouled plug(due to overly rich AFR's or too cold of a heat range) to a plug experiencing pre-ignition and detonation. The bottom pic with the lone nasty plug with the black deposits on it is a oil fouled plug. The wet fouled plug is smooth and shiny, but black...the oil fouled plug is nasty and looks like it has dirt all in it..

Which one does your plug look like?

CJ
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Old Mar 5, 2007 | 09:50 PM
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I will take a picture of it tomorrow, but it sounds like oil from how you are describing it.

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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 05:45 PM
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Got a pic yet?
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 06:32 PM
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Ever try just putting new plugs in it? Also did you run codes? Could possible be a random misfire code in there somewhere.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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^^ He did stated in the first post that he just replace it with new ones and found the one of the old plugs was fouled.
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