slowcar, I don't want to ruin this thread so I will only say it once. If you go back to that thread Al did it was stated and it was also in the video. READ the thread and you will see where a few guys actually apologized in it because they said the same thing you just said and then saw later after actually READING/WATCHING THE VIDEO that Al did state what was done.

Thanks though, it's pleasure speaking to you.

 

and al specifically says that the buschur exhaust is the end-all-be-all evo exhaust. and al has connections with bushcur. it seems CBRD is testing whatever exhaust is available to see what makes more power, not just buschur vs. ?.

 

Dave,

thanks for taking the time to post....

i was just trying to be straight with the testing up front, obviously who would ever expect a catted exhaust to make more power?

I of course did not, and would not. But we had a client that wanted to try the ebay, so i said, hell, let's test them. The exhaust he had on before, was built to "have a cat and be quiet"..... so we both know, generally quiet means a bit less flow.

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i think the problem is, unless we all watch our presentation of the facts, and our wording very carefully, the fire gets lit. I try to be very political with my testing.

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on another note, i will be joining the evom vendor status shortly, so im trying to be good at the moment with these postings and not pee in anyones pool!

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Dave, on another note, if u ever have a used exhaust sitting around, id be glad to test it on your behalf, since we both have great dynos

again, im just here to add information to the super highway, i learn things on here everyday, i hope others do too! after all, it's why the forums exist.

cheers

cb

 

I agree, if David will go for that and his exhaust makes more power then my ebay exhaust will be gone and I'll buy David's exhaust.

 

I guess that is my problem - one thing you can't accuse me of is being "political"

I concur with you that you are very "politically correct"

Those who know me, know that this is a character feature I lack

It may be a minority position to feel that we (as vendors and tuners) should not support cheaply made products which in the most part are knock offs of existing goods. Example - the fake Greddy RS BOV's - copied SS auto chrome fmic kits which are direct copies of TX's etc. etc.

Lets face the reality - the ebay guys took a AMS fmic and copied it - even used the AMS picture from their web site in the process.

If a customer wants to economize on such purchases - kind of like buying a boot leg copy of a movie for $5 (which they do overseas) - that is the customer's business.

I see no reason to promote or support such goods.

Added fuel to my fire is the fact that Buschur and AMS products are better quality - work better and are supported by human beings which answer the phone and provide tech support.

I don't agree - I don't support it and if you feel I am a jack *** for speaking my mind - I guess I am not a "political" person.

I always wondered if certain people were really nice and "political" all the time or if it was all just a huge act. I think Simon on Amercian Idol asked one of the contestants this week or last "are you really as nice as you seem?"

I guess I am obnoxious but I believe in what I am saying and its the truth as i feel it


I speak my mind and say exactly what I am thinking - what you see if what you get.

If I wanted to be a politician I would not be tuning cars for a living

Buschur and AMS products FTW

Ebay - junk

 

Would you expect John force to suggest that Valvoline oil is the best ?

Not that I am John Force.

But - the point is that if you admire and respect a man and what he stands for and you have found great success with his products then why would you not give your opinion that they are great parts ? Buschur Racing helps support my race car and sponsors it - obviously I am going to support Buschur products when they are superior.

 

if it was that close... that leads me to think that maybe the exhaust that was on the car with a test pipe may be the better exhaust.

 

Doesnt Street Glow sponsor Ara Arslanian's Toyota Solara?? You think that makes me want any of their products on my car?


The fact that remains is that it's a freaking exhaust, when you're making big boy power you know that the buschur vs XXXX goes right out the window, honestly until I started reading these threads I had almost forgot what type of exhaust I was running....if it's 3 inch and doesnt bend a lot, it's probably pretty good. There are very few things I look at when I'm buying a product as a consumer.

Price
Effectiveness
Reputation

Price is one of those ones like a hot girl at a party, if she's hot it doesnt matter if she's stupid (reputation) or slutty (effectiveness), because her hotness (price) makes that much of a difference.

 

No - that is not correct

When I purchased my 2005 STI used a few months ago - It came with mods on it

I assumed that it had a ebay copy fmic as I cant tell the difference bewteen it and a TX's unit

When I pulled off the fmic to sell it - I discovered that it was a genuine TX's unit

Now - I am running a Ultimate Racing made in Canada unit constructed with a Bell core

I have no ebay products on any of my cars

Thanks

 

lol!

ok ok... back to ground zero...

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maybe i used political as a bad term... maybe the word is tact....

i believe you can be honest, logical, and not be close minded and ignorant at the same time... not directing that at anyone in particular.

I got where I did in racing, because I was honest, willing to learn, and never stopped wanting to learn. I try to handle my business practices in the same way.

as my shop motto states "the aspects of business and racing are alike, you have to be able to process things faster than your competitors and have the knowledge and drive to turn that information in action."

cb

 

UR sponsored my sti with their 35R kit and front mount... very nice stuff...

i have used many high dollar products... hell we spend a bunch on gold foil because its functional and efficient.

I wont cut corners, but I will also use products that work. If a customer wants to spend 300 bucks on something that works, and then it breaks in 3 years and they dont mind to replace it, then hey, no problemo. if it lasts just fine, even better.

If funds permitted, I would build a time attack car with all ebay parts.... think my results would suffer? i wonder

cb

 

I edited my first post to be a little nicer, but i cant help it if someone qouted it. Al i have seen you on nasioc say the turbo xs knock off ebay fmic works good and say 'You cant beat it for the price"

 

Does that follow logically that I have to agree that the ebay exhuast is as good as a Buschur Exhuast ?

Two seperate cars

Two seperate products

Also - people fail to realize that

EBAY products are not all the same

You get hundreds of various outfits from all over asia making a whole range of parts and often after one copies one US made part then another comes along with its own version which copies the other

EBAY exhuast could mean 30 or 40 different ones

Ebay copy of the TX's unit could mean one of a few also

Ebay is a place to sell parts

China is a country

A brand is a company

Often with ebay products they even steal the name of one company and sell a counterfit - e.g. fake rolex

It may say rolex - look like a rolex - but its not a rolex

Its easy to take a rolex watch and have it reproduced - but it will never be as good as the original and those who participate in the process are all criminals

 

To each his / her own

 

ok,

everyone,

back on track......

i posted this for the benefit of the forum, the bickering doesnt benefit the forum.... and now i feel like in my last post i have contributed to it, so i apologize.

back to the thread... post said exhaust test... thats what it was, and the figures are posted, i will load the charts, had an interesting day and didnt get too..

more tests on many things to come, for those that enjoy the read, im glad we could help.

cb