To coat or not to coat, that is the ?
May 30, 2007, 01:10 PM
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Dead - The idea of retaining the heat in the turbine is behind the rapid expansion and super cooling effect that you get on the other end. Colder air means denser air, denser air means more bang for the buck. Just don't go for the cheapest stuff out there and you will be fine. Remember people you get what you pay for and good car parts aren't cheap.
May 30, 2007, 01:16 PM
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I think we all agree that it works in theory but I have never seen any hard evidence that it increases power.
It would be great if someone did a before and after dyno test with coated vs non-coated parts. (If only I had the time and extra money, lol)
It would be great if someone did a before and after dyno test with coated vs non-coated parts. (If only I had the time and extra money, lol)
May 31, 2007, 05:57 AM
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ok so i bought a used for 5000 miles Full Race exhaust manifold and im not sure if i should coat it or not. i do not like the looks of a ceramic coating but will it be that much more benifical to coat it?
i know it will keep temps down under the hood, but i think i have herd that it can keep too much heat in and cause cracks. is this true? also know that turbos are more efficent when they are hot, so cooling the temps down too much may hurt?
anyone want to shed some light, people with expierences preferably. thanks.
i know it will keep temps down under the hood, but i think i have herd that it can keep too much heat in and cause cracks. is this true? also know that turbos are more efficent when they are hot, so cooling the temps down too much may hurt?
anyone want to shed some light, people with expierences preferably. thanks.
May 31, 2007, 10:54 AM
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I think the only benefit that may be realized would be likened to a race intercooler on a stock-turbo Evo - it will likely help to prevent heat-soak with sustained racing...
I doubt you'll benefit from all this coating for highway pulls, 1/4 mile times, etc...
If you have $$$ burning a hole in your pocket, I'm sure some of us on here can figure out a better way to spend it - towards parts proven to actually do something...
May 31, 2007, 03:11 PM
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The Swain White Lightening is real "chunks" of ceramic material, not ceramic (dust) paint like most places use. Mitsuorder was not kidding as this crap can take flesh off of your body if you are foolish/haphazard around it (ask me how I know). This stuff will NOT "flake" off. It has to be broken. I've only seen it once with a mis-placed hammer blow by the owner. It was a 2 lb hammer and the stuff cracked. It then still didn't flake off. A few "chips" did come off though. I don't know how the owner faired down the road.
I know a lot of internet jockeys are/will regurgitate their internet wit. However, if there were ever a "real deal", I'd say that's where its at. For the record, a lot you you guy's parts fly to you every day in planes still bearing my acid etched stamp. I do know a thing or two on the matter over all.
I know a lot of internet jockeys are/will regurgitate their internet wit. However, if there were ever a "real deal", I'd say that's where its at. For the record, a lot you you guy's parts fly to you every day in planes still bearing my acid etched stamp. I do know a thing or two on the matter over all.
May 31, 2007, 06:30 PM
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My plans involve Swain White Lightning on the exhaust manifold, turbine housing, upper intercooler piping, intake manifold, downpipe, and dumptubes.
It will all be painted black, since White Lightning makes a great base for paint.
Then Swain BBE thermal dispersant coating on the intercooler and lower intercooler piping.
Plus their Gold Coat and PC9 on the pistons..
But the idea is to keep as much heat in the exhaust, and out of the engine compartment until it's under the car. While keeping the air entering the engine as cool as possible. I'm not sure if it's going to make a huge difference, but in theory it should help. I've used a few company's when it comes to coating, and Swain seems to be head and shoulders above the rest.
It will all be painted black, since White Lightning makes a great base for paint.
Then Swain BBE thermal dispersant coating on the intercooler and lower intercooler piping.
Plus their Gold Coat and PC9 on the pistons..
But the idea is to keep as much heat in the exhaust, and out of the engine compartment until it's under the car. While keeping the air entering the engine as cool as possible. I'm not sure if it's going to make a huge difference, but in theory it should help. I've used a few company's when it comes to coating, and Swain seems to be head and shoulders above the rest.
May 31, 2007, 09:44 PM
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My plans involve Swain White Lightning on the exhaust manifold, turbine housing, upper intercooler piping, intake manifold, downpipe, and dumptubes.
It will all be painted black, since White Lightning makes a great base for paint.
Then Swain BBE thermal dispersant coating on the intercooler and lower intercooler piping.
Plus their Gold Coat and PC9 on the pistons..
But the idea is to keep as much heat in the exhaust, and out of the engine compartment until it's under the car. While keeping the air entering the engine as cool as possible. I'm not sure if it's going to make a huge difference, but in theory it should help. I've used a few company's when it comes to coating, and Swain seems to be head and shoulders above the rest.
It will all be painted black, since White Lightning makes a great base for paint.
Then Swain BBE thermal dispersant coating on the intercooler and lower intercooler piping.
Plus their Gold Coat and PC9 on the pistons..
But the idea is to keep as much heat in the exhaust, and out of the engine compartment until it's under the car. While keeping the air entering the engine as cool as possible. I'm not sure if it's going to make a huge difference, but in theory it should help. I've used a few company's when it comes to coating, and Swain seems to be head and shoulders above the rest.
Jun 1, 2007, 04:33 AM
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so is Swain the way to go? i called Jethot and they quoted me like $170 for the coating. im not sure i can justify sending another $200+ on the coating and shipping to and from.
Jun 3, 2007, 08:38 AM
#43
http://www.performancecoatings.com/
I get my stuff coated there. They will do the inside AND out of a manifold, downpipe, o2 whatever. If you ask them, they will tell you only coating the outside is worthless. They can even do flex sections and coat it on the inside and out.
They also have different colors.. black, gark grey (which I got on my downpipe), etc etc. Looks pretty good if you ask me and is good for 2000+ degree action.
BTW - it hasn't chipped or faded in Seattle weather for the past 2 years.
*edit* = my downpipe was only about $50 to coat too btw. I'm not sure how much a header would be but they price it by size.
I get my stuff coated there. They will do the inside AND out of a manifold, downpipe, o2 whatever. If you ask them, they will tell you only coating the outside is worthless. They can even do flex sections and coat it on the inside and out.
They also have different colors.. black, gark grey (which I got on my downpipe), etc etc. Looks pretty good if you ask me and is good for 2000+ degree action.
BTW - it hasn't chipped or faded in Seattle weather for the past 2 years.
*edit* = my downpipe was only about $50 to coat too btw. I'm not sure how much a header would be but they price it by size.
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Jun 3, 2007, 09:23 PM
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Nobody is mentioning HPC. I have used their HPC Extreme coating on my 1G DSM on the turbo exhaust housing,O2 housing and exhaust manifold(evo 3)
Read up and find out why HPC is the best out there..
http://www.hpcoatings.com/industries/auto.aspx#HI
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...k/IMG_1592.jpg
Read up and find out why HPC is the best out there..
http://www.hpcoatings.com/industries/auto.aspx#HI
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...k/IMG_1592.jpg
Last edited by PlanoEvo; Jun 3, 2007 at 09:28 PM.