that is absolutely correct. If you are willing to lose A/C and then go to a custom radiator, we have something for you. Unfortunately most are not willing to lose a/c nor go to a custom rad, so there is just no other way to do this...

the car we're building is coming out really well. twinscroll 42R, fully built 2.4L, stock head ports, full-race intake manifold, 3" charge pipes, 4" aluminum exhaust, ultra lightweight muffler, ridiculously short charge piping, shep built trans, big fuel system, (4) 5-point harnesses (got to smoke some single turbo supras with 4 ppl in the car)... we've got some work to do if we want to hang!!!

 

looks good geoff, that booth goes a long way from the LB show years back...now I just gotta get some cash together for a turbo kit

 

Acutally, the fins per inch and charge tube size is what determines pressure drop. well, # of tubes and tube length, also, but thats a whole other dimension.
You can make both styles perform equally by tailoring the FPI

The main difference that we have found between B&P and T&F is B&P withstands vibrational stress better and is obviously heavier.
T&F is lighter, can take quite an impact w/o leakage whereas B&P sometimes slpits where the face bar and parting sheet meet.

We specialize in OTR trucks, mining equipment, aviation and marine where the vehicles are put through extreme conditions so weight is never an issue and the choice of core is obviously B&P. We've done a few one-offs for cars but don't really like to mess with them b/c the margins are not as great.
Our advantage is that we can make any fin style, any FPI and any core size.

http://http://oil-coolers.com/

BTW, Geoff, you guys make some kickass products!!
What year did you guys strat your business? I remember hearing about your guys waaaay back when.

 

I WANT THIS!! This is so crazy!!! OMG!! I can't believe the JDM companies haven't made something like this for the Evo yet!! This will give us the edge over the Evo X for sure at least when it comes to response!! Oh man! I want this piece!

 

i wanna say 2002??

 

we unoffically started full-race in 2001 (fabricating in the backyard of our college rental house), officially in 2002 (rented our first shop), and went full time in 2003 after we graduated ASU engineering school

you are 100% correct. unfortunately FPI and charge tube size are usually out of our control, you are very fortunate to be able to tailor core design to fit your needs. We are at the mercy of what is available and cost effective. The all time best core i ever saw for this application is a SETRAB... my cost is $1450 USD -- core only, minimum of 50 cores... dont think we can make that work for any of our customers. We work with what is available. For a horizontal flow core i feel that a properly designed extruded tube core is fantastic. ive seen great results from both styles, depending on the application, and of course corresponding FPI/tube size. I really like bar and plate for vertical flow and drag race horizontal flows. the tube and fin we use is ideal for street horizontal flow applications IMO, based on what we have available to us.

is one better than the other? we both know there is no answer to that, in some instances one will have clear benefits over the other, and vice versa. you just need to know what you are doing to make the right decisions for you and your customers.

thanks so much for your kind words. we strive to provide the highest quality products possible, and are constantly refining and improving everything we do and make. If you guys are ever interested in making some cores please let us know, its always tough to find quality core suppliers.

hah thanks for all your excitment that is pretty funny

 

Hah sorry, got a bit excited. I've never seen such a piece before and the gains is just amazing. I don't need dyno charts to convince me that this is the intercooler to have. Quality is definitely top notch, I mean your exhaust manifold is like a piece of art that won't crack at the welds. I just can't ask for much more, unless you guys want to release your own version of the FPgreeen turbo or Full-Race 20g kit!

 

its called our Twinscroll 30R kit

 

here's a pic of the borg-warner 42R twinscroll powered evo street car we are building right now. Setup is a 2.4L, using a stock port cyl head, Hypertune Billet Evo8 intake manifold and 77mm TB, Ferrea valvetrain, 280 HKS, dual 44m tial WGs, and a 4" ALUMINUM exhaust with 3lb 4" muffler. The fuel system is dual bosch pumps drawing from a surge tank (japanese GTR style)



check out the intercooler -- huge vertical flow core, fabricated sheet metal "aero" endtank design, and ultra short/bend free charge pipe routing (it is non-AC btw! )

hope you guys like it

 

so why is there an aluminum exhaust and why don't companies typically use it for exhaust material?

 

Man its funny i saw that picture with the intercooler pipe routing. I wanted to actually contact you Geoff and see what you thought but obviously im far behind. Im glad to see that the idea works anyway and looks like its such a advantage to have the distance cut down so much to the manifold.

By any chance do you have a price for this set up ? I would have to contact you with dimensions because of my intake manifold and TB are quite a bit off than stock. Just curious as to a ball park price for now.

Thanks.

 

aluminum exhaust weighs 12lb for the entire exh, muffler included!! This is not ideal for the typical street car becuase it is not as durable and can corrode if subjective to salt/snow/dirt over time. It is also quite a bit more expensive than stainless steel

If its a weekend fun car or a drag/track vehicle, aluminum is the material of choice. we do it on every race car we build, and all my personal street projectcars use alu exh

thanks for the compliments. pricing isnt ready yet, not until early 2008! sorry

 

you only mention drag, would this be good on roadrace cars?

 

yeah, we do it on all the time attack and drift cars (and hardcore street cars) we setup here

 

so do they come apart at the welds when corrosion sets in? or is it a rotting through?