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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Useless question, because we can't measure at the crank, and because of that, there's no reason to have crank HP as a goal.

So, how much do you want to the wheels on what type of dyno, what correction factor, which tuner, how much boost, what octane (91, 93, 94, 100?), what altitude, and in what weather conditions.? We can help you with that. After you reach that number, you can apply whatever drivetrain loss % you want and brag about how much crank HP you think you have.
Quoting wheel horsepower on a forum like this is ridiculous because every dyno is so different. So it is WAY LESS CONFUSING if someone quotes crank than wheel IMO.

When I see someone post XYZ ATW my eyes glaze over with how many questions I'd have to ask to figure out what that actually means.
Old Aug 28, 2007 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrod@Buschur
I agree with what Warrtalon just said. A turbo upgrade is NOT needed.

Vostok 7..... is there anything done to the car right now or is it 100% stock? What is the overall goal with the car? Just the horsepower # or are you wanting to race/track the car?

I'll be glad to lend a hand and point you in the right direction.

Take care!
Jarrod how much hp at the flywheel do you think a stock turbo is good for? This guy is asking for 450 at the crank, and I would have thought the stock turbo with ALL supporting mods + cams might just break 400 at the fly.
Old Aug 28, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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David, I dont have a problem with your quality parts and how well they work. I have a problem with your god like attitude and the way you treat anyone on here who tries to challenge any of your knowledge. I am not the only one on here that you insult time after time after time. Its just your lack of personality that makes this happen. I can pull up 20 threads of your insults to people. Insults that would have you kicked off any other board. The only reason you remain on here is because you are a big pay check. I used to buy many things from you. Since being on evoM I have stopped cold. I learned what a god aweful person you are.

Famous quote: A dumb person thinks he knows everything, a smart person knows what he doesn't know.

I have attacked your personality because it needs attacking. I have challenged some of your technical knowledge because some of it is not correct. Thats what boards are for. If you want me to stop being a PITA then stop being the the know it all genius and listen to the knowledge that others have to offer.
Old Aug 28, 2007 | 06:59 PM
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If you had ANY knowledge, I'd listen..................you are just a PITA that's all you are to me. I have records of all sales, what's your real name since you hide behind a screen name, I'd love to look it up.
Old Aug 28, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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How about we all grow up and stop the personal attacks and thread jacking.
Old Aug 28, 2007 | 07:13 PM
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David, with these quotes that you have said, I am sure you can expect new or current Buschur customers to run away. If a shop or tuner was talking like this to their customers, I surely would spend my money somewhere else.
I aint going no were.

I own an Evo as do you. David has been doing this sh*t for 15+ years, he knows what works and what doesnt, as far as I am concerned, he can say what he wants. David and Danial have established a very well known trust worthy shop, thats why we go to BR
When I look at your "so to come mod" in your signature I wanna cry ... 20-9-6. Your just heading down the wrong path

I am out of this 1, from here on out.

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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrod@Buschur
I also hear flux capacitors will give you a cooler air charge upon hitting 88mph.

If his calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious $#!T
Old Aug 28, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullet01
David, with these quotes that you have said, I am sure you can expect new or current Buschur customers to run away. If a shop or tuner was talking like this to their customers, I surely would spend my money somewhere else.
NO Way,
DB's Da MAN!!!
His Evo Stage build-ups make perfect sense and his prices don't break the bank of a working evo owner. All the quotes you listed had me LMFAO
Old Aug 28, 2007 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
If you had ANY knowledge, I'd listen..................you are just a PITA that's all you are to me. I have records of all sales, what's your real name since you hide behind a screen name, I'd love to look it up.
David, He does have knowledge. So do I. We tried to share it with you and the rest of the community and I was challenged and he was verbally attacked and belittled by you.

You can keep your respect and integrity without these expletive filled outbursts. In fact, it is these outburst that do the most harm to your integrity and the EVO community's respect for you. There is no shame in admitting you're wrong, or at least saying, "I don't agree with you, but I will look into it to be sure what I believe is based in fact."

I can't count how many times you have publicly dismissed an idea, or degraded a part, only to do a 180 and fully embrace it once you finally test the part and find it works great. (eBay 02 housing, for one) Not to mention all the proven parts and ideas that you completely turn your nose to and dismiss (adjustable cam gears, for one).

To finally put this thing to rest - to be honest, the reason I went from an almost 100% Buschur powered car to scrapping the whole thing and building a 0% Buschur powered car is because even though you couldn't figure it out due to your narrowmindedness, I knew exactly what the problem was with the silver car, and every other tuner I talked with knew what the problem was, and I knew that when I switched from the Revolver cams to the GSC cams that you hated GSC so much that I would not get a fair tune. Once again, the attitude you give off to many customers is "If it isn't how I think it should be, screw you". Or even better, "If your car doesn't make good power it's because you aren't running all my parts".

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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Kc2Buk
NO Way,
DB's Da MAN!!!
His Evo Stage build-ups make perfect sense and his prices don't break the bank of a working evo owner. All the quotes you listed had me LMFAO
If you believe in it so much why don't you have a Stage?? package tuned by Buschur?
Old Aug 28, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by vwjeff
I aint going no were.

I own an Evo as do you. David has been doing this sh*t for 15+ years, he knows what works and what doesnt, as far as I am concerned, he can say what he wants. David and Danial have established a very well known trust worthy shop, thats why we go to BR
When I look at your "so to come mod" in your signature I wanna cry ... 20-9-6. Your just heading down the wrong path

I am out of this 1, from here on out.
So my 20g-9 isn't the correct way to go eh? I do own a EVO 8 and for me to upgrade to a EVO 9 turbo is the wrong direction? Hmmm Seems like perfect logic to me. And I'm sure David would agree. I am an EVO owner on a very, very limited budget who can only afford the small things in life right now and not 35R's. Not every EVO owner has big $$ to spend on their vehicle.

So with that in mind, what is the correct path I should go with? because im sure you know everything, right? Remember keep it on a very very low budget.
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by crcain
Jarrod how much hp at the flywheel do you think a stock turbo is good for? This guy is asking for 450 at the crank, and I would have thought the stock turbo with ALL supporting mods + cams might just break 400 at the fly.
Why would you worry about flywheel horsepower? I would want the power I make to be at the ground. Yes with ALL the correct mods & cams it probably would be close to 400 at the flywheel.


Originally Posted by Kc2Buk

If his calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious $#!T
w0rD!


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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 06:21 AM
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Evolutionary,

You and every other tuner knew what was wrong with your silver car? That's interesting. You and I talked about the cams when your car was here. I did not and still do not believe the Revolver cams were at fault. I have too many examples of the Revolver cams making rediculous power/torque numbers. For you to say that you and other tuners knew how to fix it is silly. If that's the case you should have changed the cams and proven it, instead you gave up on the car and built a completely new one. Seems silly to drop an entire project when you could have spent $600 instead.

The Revolver cams have made the MOST torque of ANY cam ever tested here on the Green turbo. This, to let everyone else know, is what you are silver car had on it. My RS made 450 hp/451 torque. The MR I have now, that was Trevor's just layed down 453 ft lbs at the shootout and 421 whp on E85 with the Green.

My RS is still the quickest Green EVO running 10.8 at 128 mph.

Had you flat out said, "David, I want to buy some GSC's and have you put them in to try them." I would have done it.

You asked me to pay with your cam settings. So making a statement such as you just did saying I am closed minded to doing it is complete BS and makes you a liar. I spent almost an entire day moving your cam settings around on the dyno, at the end of the day it lost torque and gained nothing else.........

I did this same thing for Keith's car upon request. At the end of the day it was the same story, his cams worked best set at 0.

Curt Brown is another great example. His car was not working how I thought it should. He had some crazy cam settings that were suggested by another shop. The closer we adjusted the cams back to 0 the more power/torque the car made.

Contrary to your and 94awdcoupe's thoughts (and others), I am not "closed minded" the things that I talk about and argue against are 99% of the time things I have personally tested extensively over the years (remember 19 years of testing gives me some time to do all kind of things long before you guys were into this scene). When I come in and say something "doesn't work" it's because I already tried it and found it not too.

One more thing evolutionary, the statement that you made about "if I switched to GSC cams I woudn't get a fair tune" shows YOUR narrowmindedness and stupidity to be honest with you. That's an absolute 100% crock of bull****. Currently Bobby Koenig's car has the highest MPH of any EVO equipped with the EVO Green turbo. The Et's are also awesome running 10.91 multiple times. Guess what cams he has genius? GSC's, quess who tuned the car genius? I DID.

If I tune a car I give it 100% of my effort regardless of what parts it has on it. The difference is I see on a daily basis a car with messed up combinations that DO NOT MAKE good power with messed up combinations. This goes back to my testing many things over these many years of doing things.

You telling me how much knowledge you have it pretty narrow minded. You had Tym S. do most of your initial build, then brought it to us when Tym couldn't help you anymore. Now you built a new car that I haven't seen anything stellar from yet and you are telling me how much knowledge you have and how you are trying to share it? You have to set records, win championships or something to prove your knowledge and car. I've done those things many many times, I think you and other forget that. You also have to remember this isn't my hobby. I am here everyday working on all kinds of combinations. Unlike most people who claim to be experts I am here actually doing this crap everyday all day. I actually get to see all these "great parts" that are used and we get to figure out everyday why a car does or doesn't make power. Did you or 94AWD ever stop to think how much stuff we must run/test/race doing this every single day for the last 10 years 100% full time and 9 years before that part time? It's a rediculous amount of testing and knowledge, think about it.

When I get told I am narrowminded and not willing to accept the fact that someone else's idea works and it is something I have already done, OF COURSE IT PISSES ME OFF AND I GET DEFENSIVE. I've done it already and know it's BS.
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
You and I talked about the cams when your car was here. I did not and still do not believe the Revolver cams were at fault. I have too many examples of the Revolver cams making rediculous power/torque numbers. For you to say that you and other tuners knew how to fix it is silly. If that's the case you should have changed the cams and proven it, instead you gave up on the car and built a completely new one. Seems silly to drop an entire project when you could have spent $600 instead.

The Revolver cams have made the MOST torque of ANY cam ever tested here on the Green turbo. This, to let everyone else know, is what you are silver car had on it. My RS made 450 hp/451 torque. The MR I have now, that was Trevor's just layed down 453 ft lbs at the shootout and 421 whp on E85 with the Green.

My RS is still the quickest Green EVO running 10.8 at 128 mph.

Had you flat out said, "David, I want to buy some GSC's and have you put them in to try them." I would have done it.

You asked me to pay with your cam settings. So making a statement such as you just did saying I am closed minded to doing it is complete BS and makes you a liar. I spent almost an entire day moving your cam settings around on the dyno, at the end of the day it lost torque and gained nothing else.........
Totally off topic here... but so is this thread I suppose so...

My friend and I just degreed his Revolver cams. The intake cam at peak lift and obe centerline was at 87 degrees ATDC. This is a whopping 22 degrees advanced from Revolvers published 109 intake cam figure.

Buschur's official recommendation on setting up cams AFAIK is to NOT to use a degree wheel / dial guage. Could this have been the problem with the Revolvers in question here in this thread?
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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ccrain, yes, anything is possible. I haven't seen a set of Revolvers not perform though and we have probably installed/tuned more than any one else. We sold a lot of those cams when they were available. In evolutionary's car we did degree the cams and move the intake and exhaust cam around trying to locate the problem, as he asked us to attempt.


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