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David,
The assembled manifold and the collector picture are for two different orders, I just took the picture of the collector separately because it's hard to get good enough light inside a manifold to clearly show the intricacy.
The completed manifold has the wastegate runner hole drilled in the collector and associated wastegate runner and Tial flange welded and port matched on both ends. The collector by itself has yet to be drilled for the wastegate runner because that order is for a show car receiving a fully polished manifold. The manifold is broken apart as you see in the picture below for polishing before assembly.
The turbo flange is mild. They are done that way because we surface every flange in house before it's used in fabrication of a manifold. Mild flanges surface to perfectly flat far better than stainless which of course will provide a better seal with less chance of blown gaskets and associated leaks.
For the show car onto which this polished manifold will be installed, we're using stainless flanges because they will polish better for the show factor, which is that customer's preference. We're all about function around here, but we're happy to add maximum bling if our customers prefer it!
I'll follow up with some pictures of this thing when it's all finished, should be REALLY sick.
Tom
The assembled manifold and the collector picture are for two different orders, I just took the picture of the collector separately because it's hard to get good enough light inside a manifold to clearly show the intricacy.
The completed manifold has the wastegate runner hole drilled in the collector and associated wastegate runner and Tial flange welded and port matched on both ends. The collector by itself has yet to be drilled for the wastegate runner because that order is for a show car receiving a fully polished manifold. The manifold is broken apart as you see in the picture below for polishing before assembly.
The turbo flange is mild. They are done that way because we surface every flange in house before it's used in fabrication of a manifold. Mild flanges surface to perfectly flat far better than stainless which of course will provide a better seal with less chance of blown gaskets and associated leaks.
For the show car onto which this polished manifold will be installed, we're using stainless flanges because they will polish better for the show factor, which is that customer's preference. We're all about function around here, but we're happy to add maximum bling if our customers prefer it!
I'll follow up with some pictures of this thing when it's all finished, should be REALLY sick.
Tom
a 35r and 40r no i dont think so. but i am on a twin scroll 30r and i have yet to go to the dyno but i did run 11.2 at 126mph on 26/27psi 93octmixed with 100oct. tuned on 25psi pump. c16 is being tuned next week.
The header we offer is very close to equal length, if you meaure each runner you are not going to find them within a 1/16" of an inch though, so equal is relative to how exact we are talking.
The tubular manifold kit above is $3895. We ONLY use 44mm Tial gates WITH the leaded race gas seat, comes with the turbo of your choice, dump tube, lower i/c pipe, oil feed and return lines, fan, 02 housing which is V-band connection and a 3" downpipe which is also V band connection at the 02 housing. All the header kits have a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser as do the manifold kits.
We also use ONLY stainless steel flanges on the head and turbo connections, the SS is very hard to mill but in my opinion if it isn't all stainless it may as well all be mild steel and I HATE mild steel. There is no problem with getting a SS flange flat, it's just tougher milling it.
One last question for you Tom at ETS, did you say you only use the 44mm gates? The first set of pictures you posted and this latest one all have the 38 mm flanges don't they? I could be confused, it happens to me easily.
Thanks for the interest.
The tubular manifold kit above is $3895. We ONLY use 44mm Tial gates WITH the leaded race gas seat, comes with the turbo of your choice, dump tube, lower i/c pipe, oil feed and return lines, fan, 02 housing which is V-band connection and a 3" downpipe which is also V band connection at the 02 housing. All the header kits have a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser as do the manifold kits.
We also use ONLY stainless steel flanges on the head and turbo connections, the SS is very hard to mill but in my opinion if it isn't all stainless it may as well all be mild steel and I HATE mild steel. There is no problem with getting a SS flange flat, it's just tougher milling it.
One last question for you Tom at ETS, did you say you only use the 44mm gates? The first set of pictures you posted and this latest one all have the 38 mm flanges don't they? I could be confused, it happens to me easily.
Thanks for the interest.
AMS,BR,ETS,FULL-RACE,are all top notch quality and proven.
you cant go wrong with anyone of them,period!you can put down over 400awhp on straight pump gas with all these kits.Just have the proper supporting mods of course.
Im not sure about the PEAKboost results,anyone?there kit is pure SEX!
just go with what fits your budget OP.if you go with a little cheaper kit such as BR over AMS,you will still be fine and put down great numbers.If you go with buschur i do suggest the Tubular manifold set up.
you cant go wrong with anyone of them,period!you can put down over 400awhp on straight pump gas with all these kits.Just have the proper supporting mods of course.
Im not sure about the PEAKboost results,anyone?there kit is pure SEX!
just go with what fits your budget OP.if you go with a little cheaper kit such as BR over AMS,you will still be fine and put down great numbers.If you go with buschur i do suggest the Tubular manifold set up.
I know a lot of you guys think of me as this guy that owns a shop and sells parts, which of course I am that guy. There is something that many of you are missing. Last year I owned 15 cars (I say last year because I have sold a few in the last year) those 15 cars range from 1949 to 2007. I own two vehicles that are NOT modified, my new truck and my wife's Endeavor. So of the other 13 vehicles I own I modified everyone of them. This makes me a consumer just like you guys and it makes me a consumer on cars that I don't know everything about (unlike the DSM/EVO's).
When I shop for parts I don't want to be someone's test bed for their parts. I look around at who's who in the industry, pick the company setting records or building the trickest baddest stuff and buy from them. It is quite baffling to me how someone can want to buy something "cheap" or "unproven" with their money. I say this not just with EVO's and the fact that I'd like to sell you OUR proven parts but I say it from the side of a guy who builds all kinds of cool stuff for himself and has to shop around.
Going off the beaten path in a market such as the EVO market might make your car a little more unique than one that was built solely with our parts or AMS's (or others who offer it all) but I will put money on it that you won't be setting any records either. Not everyone is trying to set a record, understandably, but why not get the most performance you can for your money?
Just some insight. Do with it what you will.
Have a great day.
When I shop for parts I don't want to be someone's test bed for their parts. I look around at who's who in the industry, pick the company setting records or building the trickest baddest stuff and buy from them. It is quite baffling to me how someone can want to buy something "cheap" or "unproven" with their money. I say this not just with EVO's and the fact that I'd like to sell you OUR proven parts but I say it from the side of a guy who builds all kinds of cool stuff for himself and has to shop around.
Going off the beaten path in a market such as the EVO market might make your car a little more unique than one that was built solely with our parts or AMS's (or others who offer it all) but I will put money on it that you won't be setting any records either. Not everyone is trying to set a record, understandably, but why not get the most performance you can for your money?
Just some insight. Do with it what you will.
Have a great day.
only two main companys i can think of that you can build your evo from 500-900awhp+ with ONLY there parts is AMS and Buschur. I dont see FULL-RACE,ETS,etc having a website where you can buy everything from them.motor,head,etc..
and yeah sure paul made over 1000awhp on a ETS kit,but who wouldnt with a 42R and an AMS 2.1L destroked motor(at least from what i remember he said he had a 2.1L race motor from AMS)
Last edited by GT35REVO8; Oct 17, 2007 at 03:24 PM.
Shearer definitely makes some nice stuff we'll never argue that!! I assumed that since this poll mentions your cast manifold that it would be featured in the pictures as well?
Based on what's included in the kits (or not included) and the $450 price difference I just don't think we're comparing apples to apples here. Your kit is great in its own right and I'd never bash or try to pick it apart ever, we just do things a bit differently and that's for the good of the community.
I know you're not confused about the wastegates but it's not our style to join in the sarcasm wars or vendor arguments. That's just negativity that neither us nor the community needs.
We include a 38mm wastegate because it is plenty of gate to handily control boost down to 15psi. We use a bigger wastegate in larger kits, but only when it's necessary from a performance aspect. There are many others that are in agreement with us on that particular issue.
It's great that you guys have joined us by posting pictures because in the end it just helps everyone here become more educated about their options
Tom
Based on what's included in the kits (or not included) and the $450 price difference I just don't think we're comparing apples to apples here. Your kit is great in its own right and I'd never bash or try to pick it apart ever, we just do things a bit differently and that's for the good of the community.
I know you're not confused about the wastegates but it's not our style to join in the sarcasm wars or vendor arguments. That's just negativity that neither us nor the community needs.
We include a 38mm wastegate because it is plenty of gate to handily control boost down to 15psi. We use a bigger wastegate in larger kits, but only when it's necessary from a performance aspect. There are many others that are in agreement with us on that particular issue.
It's great that you guys have joined us by posting pictures because in the end it just helps everyone here become more educated about their options
Tom
You must be confused, AMS and Buschur build motors and have the parts available to build a motor, but they still use OTHER's parts to build those motors
e.g. Crowers, ARP, J&E.
I know ETS doesn't have a "huge" name in the Evo world, but Im lucky enough to live in their area and have seen some of the creations that come from there or are built by JR of ETS.
From my experience, I would stay away from the SBR and Apexi kits. I have had horrible experiences with SBR in the past and have heard of tons of others having the same experience. My friend ran the Apexi kit on his Evo and it was ok on his stock 2.0 but, he experienced huge gains switching out for the ETS 35r. The Apexi is also way overpriced.
AMS & Buschur from reading online and not much more than that they seem to be quality kits.
From my experience, I would stay away from the SBR and Apexi kits. I have had horrible experiences with SBR in the past and have heard of tons of others having the same experience. My friend ran the Apexi kit on his Evo and it was ok on his stock 2.0 but, he experienced huge gains switching out for the ETS 35r. The Apexi is also way overpriced.
AMS & Buschur from reading online and not much more than that they seem to be quality kits.