pwn3d

 

You are spreading misinformation here.. The EA Oil filter does not flow 10 times what a WIX does.....

ATM 10W-30 and SSO 0W-30 are the recommended oils as the EVO calls for 10W-30 from the factory.

Another thing, you are not a Vendor and should not be posting your sales info


Doc

 

Skold...

I know that you are Enthusiastic only being an AMSOIL Dealer Since the end of Dec., 2007, I remember when I became a Dealer 24 yrs ago this month, but you need to do a little better Research here.

The AMSOIL EA Filter is conservatively Rated at 15 Micron Absolute but will not flow 10X what a WIX will.

MOST of the EVO owners buy a High Performance Automobile and USE IT, whether hard on the Street or Track Days. The Official Stance of AMSOIL is that under those circumstances, it is best to use the WIX Filter.

I also noticed that you promote the XL Product line for the EVO and, although it is a Great oil, the ATM 10W-30 and SSO 0W-30 are the Preferred Products for the EVO..



Doc

 

Same here.. what it says on the oil filler cap.. Mobil 1 10-30 along with the factory filter and crush washer.

 

Correct... The "30" is the key number as it is at "Operating" temp.

I have a friend that was with DMS and he also tells me that a thicker oil than a 30 weight could cause some oil starvation to the Turbo. Not to the point where it may just seize, but a slow death.

This is also why we are not recommending a By-Pass Oil filter set-up on the EVO as it may starve the Turbo.

Doc

 

mobil 1 syn. on the cap of oil

 

Although I'm an Amsoil dealer and peddle the oil, I'd only tell someone to use an Amsoil filter if they don't have access to oem.

 

That is all well and good... Who makes the OEM This Year ?

The WIX filter is the Second best filter you can buy, and for an EVO that is Ran Hard or Tracked, which is probably 99 % of EVO's, that is the way to go.

If it is a Daily Driver, The AMSOIL Filter would be the filter of choice.


Doc

 

X,

 

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You need to put a stop on your misinforming posts.... The WIX is not a 10-12 Micron Filter and is not 94% Efficient. Depending on the filter, they are about 15 Micron at 80-84% Efficient.

Also, The 20W-50 is not a recommended oil due to the high Viscosity Index . These are tight tolerance engines which require an oil that will flow.

You DO NOT get more protection just because an oil is thicker. These are NOT Big Blocks with tolerances loosened up to gain HP and they do not have huge oil pumps in them.

Use of too high Viscosity oil creates more heat, Less HP and can possibly cause oil starvation.

So unless you have a great Product Liability Policy, or deep pockets, you need to check your facts.

Doc

 

what about build motors with bearing clearances on the loose side of factory and forged pistons? Would it be OK to use a 20 - 50?

 

From http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/wix.aspx

Superior Construction
WIX oil filters have a full metal base plate for superior strength at the double seal. They also feature a silicone anti-drainback valve that stays flexible in extreme temperatures. This improves oil flow and keeps oil in the filter to prevent dry starts.

WIX oil filters use an up-front by-pass valve. This design is superior to top-mounted valves because it helps to keep oil from washing past dirty media and entering the engine. The glass-enhanced media in WIX oil filters offers greater efficiency, capturing more 10 to 12 micron sized particles than other cellulose/synthetic blend medias. They also have a coil steel spring to ensure internal filter parts are sealed properly.

WIX panel element air filters have a linear path through the filter for low airflow restriction, a specially formulated adhesive to form WIX’s exclusive pocket pleat for the filter media and a soft sealing urethane gasket molded in place on the filter element.

Radial air filters are constructed of mesh screen on the inside wall diameter for element strength and media protection from backfire. Each round filter is manufactured with heat-resistant plastisol with specially designed crush seals on the top and bottom walls and adhesive seal joining the media ends. Additional Filtration Products AMSOIL offers WIX filtration products for auto/light truck and racing applications. This includes not only standard air and oil filters, but fuel, transmission, cabin air and filters specially designed for racing as well.

 

all viscosity numbers like 10w-30 is protection range, or the amount of load the oil can carry at different temps, (ie. 40c, 100c) for density and thickness you need to look at the Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C,Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C which is you look up amsoils ATM,SSO,TRO,XLT oils in they arenot that much different.

TYPICAL PHYSICAL PROPERTIES (revised 08/07)

AMSOIL Signature Series 0W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil (SSO)

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D445)


10.3

Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D445)


56.56

Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270)


173

Cold Crank Simulator Apparent Viscosity @ -35°C, cP (ASTM D5293)


5927

Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D92)


-51 (-60)

Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D92)


230 (446)
Fire Point °C (°F) (ASTM D92)


246 (475)
Four-Ball Wear Test (ASTM D4172: 40kgf, 150°C, 1800 rpm, 1 hr) Scar diameter, mm


0.406
Noack Volatility (ASTM D5800) 250°C for 1 hour, % weight loss


8.65
High Temperature/High Shear Viscosity cP, X°C, X s-1 (ASTM D4683)


3.2

Total Base Number


13.2


TYPICAL PHYSICAL PROPERTIES

AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 20W-50 Racing Oil (TRO) revised 7/07

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)


18.3

Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)


130.6

Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270)


157

Cold Crank Simulator Apparent Viscosity @ -15°C, cP (ASTM D-5293)


5618 (-15)

High Temperature/High Shear @ 150°C and 1.0 X 106 s-1 , cP (ASTM D 4683)


5.8

Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D 97)


-39 (-38)

Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D 92)


244 (471)
Fire Point °C (°F) (ASTM D 92)


258 (496)
Noack Volatility (DIN 51581) 250°C for 1 hour, % weight loss


4.5
Four-Ball Wear Test (ASTM D 4172: 60kg, 150°C, 1800 rpm, 1 hr) Scar diameter, mm


0.43

Total Base Number


12.1

Yes in colder weather the 20-w50 race oil is thicker but look at 100c as the oil warms up you have added protection so fully built evo motors making 1000 plus awd this would be a great oil. and then lets say you add in meth or alky injections. SSO is still the best oil for mild modded cars, heavy modded cars i think 20w-50 TRO

 

You cant go wrong with MOBIL1. However, most on here swear by Amsoil and it probably is worth the extra $$. Ive heard way too many negative comments on Royal Purple to even try it.