I was the 1st person to test the Buschur Ported vs. Wilson V2 and i found it made 712 on v2 and 711.95hp on bushur ported.. The flaw in my testing was that i did it on 2 different days.. Only 1 day apart.. The v2 did lean it out some but when fuel was brought back in check it still made the same HP.. I told indy and i told david my findings.. I asked david to please do a legit test on both when he had time as i trust his testing on the same day over mine.. That testing didnt happen right away and now with Wilson cutting of dealers to sell on their own david was forced to do some testing so he could figure out what was best.. Turns out my test wasnt far off and the v2 doesnt shine as much as one would have thought over the standard ported with 65mm TB..

 

And I think that's all the people asking to see a back to back test wanted. They just didn't want assumptions to be made. I also see where you are coming from and I believe you when you say that you didn't intentionally not test the BR ported to hide anything.


I've noticed that you tend to try and keep things a secret up front (and for very understandable reasons) and then once it's no longer the latest and greatest, you'll divulge all information and the negatives that you originally left out without regard to prior arrangements or relationships that were made.

I suppose it forces the companies/individuals you work with to be on top and stay on top of their game.

You gotta go with what works for you, but your recent round of flowbench testing is kind of like reinventing the wheel. While not real efficient in a development sense, I’m sure it will lead you to a round wheel that works very well though.

 

Well I feel sorry for the people that paid $1600 for intake manifold that is no better that a ported one for $140. If Dave would have not had a falling out with Wilson were you ever going to go public with your findings?

 

I too find it a bit disturbing that the results of Mike@AWD and Al@DynoFlash were not released right away. They both found there was no difference between the V2 and a ported stocker but kept a tight lip apparently.

But on the other hand, it was probably a hard decision to release results of a test which will hurt a companies business when you are not a 1000% sure the results are accurate.

 

Mine was 1 car and as I said i wasnt sure if it was accurate info or not so i called dave myself and asked had he seen any car that didnt gain and he said NO..

I knew 1 thing was for sure.. David wasnt pushing wilson because of $$$.. we make less margin on wilson then we do on his ported so selling them wasnt driven by $$$..

as far as i know AL did make it public that the v2 didnt make any power for him also..

I never sold another manifold after i tested it on my car..

Mike

 

I never said it was garbage, I am disappointed in the results but I am happy with the flow.
Things like this happen in life, I am not pissed at anyone about the most recent findings on the manifold, but I am pissed I lost a friend, or who I thought was friend over it.


Al had a video up 3 months agao when it was on Sumans cars.

 

Well given Mike didn't sell any after the test he did I have no complaints whatsoever. Sounds like everything was above board.

 

Yes, things like this do happen. But I'm sure words like "V2 Wilson Manifold that SUCKS" in a signature doesn't really improve on the chances of patching up that relationship you said you are pissed to have lost. That seems counter productive?

But maybe I'm just reading too into the posts I see and am just imagining a smear campaign that isn't really there???

 

I remember Al saying that he switched from the v2 to the ported stocker on Suman's, or at least I believe it was Suman's car, car and it gained power and smoothed out the power band.

So that information wasn't tight lipped at all. Al is pretty up front about it and so is Mike and David.

 

I wasn't going to say anything but feel I need to chime in. I value David's testing and let me tell you why. I tested my ported stocker with 65mm and came up with a number within 1 hp of David's. When I tested my Driven I also came up within 1 hp. My findings are right on par with David's. To me that tells me he is very honest with his results. I never wanted the V2 because I couldn't justify the cost and core charge for it. For me, as David said also, the ported stocker is near impossible to beat below 600whp. I set an unbelievable low stock turbo record with it and that proves it works. After 600 my solution was Driven Innovation's. The manifold is perfect and made the same exact increase over the stocker as David said it would. I love the Driven and have no intentions of switching. Well maybe to an 8 injector Driven David my hats off to you, keep up the great work. Just my .02....

 

The stories posted here are accurate. Mike contacted me, I told him I never saw what he did and he was uncertain of why he saw what he did. Al did make his finding public and he caught all kinds of hell for it actually.

Jeff, I am with you, the loss of someone I thought was a very good friend is what bothers me the most. I couldn't care less if I got dropped by Wilson or not and now that I went back to testing I am glad I did get dropped! Losing a friend over this disgusts me. It's funny to me that all the people that helped/promoted him through the last year or so were all dropped off the face of the earth as his friend when this happened. =

03whitegsr, I think you and I are clearing up some things and I am glad. I do have one thing I'd like to point out. I have seen a bunch of guys talking about this program and that program and seen pictures of intake manifolds with green/yellow/blue lines in them from the computer simulations etc. I have also tested many of these....................I can tell you that the intake manifold I just guessed at and built I will put up against any other intake I have run to date. I did use a green/red/yellow crayon to draw up my intake but that's it haha Just kidding. I just don't know, I seem to have awfully good luck just working through something. I've not seen many things designed on a computer transfer over to the best design/part there is. Atleast not in the aftermarket world. Just my opinion.

 

That was more of a f*** y** for not being my friend is all when I found out what was going on is all, it is crushing man. I talked to the guy almost every night

I do need to fix that cause it is still a good manifold

 

ok back on topic guys. haha!
Dave do you have pricing on this mani yet? Any date when its coming out? Im tired of waiting on the F1 from AMS.lol I was just waiting on the F1 to compare it to V2 and Magnus cast and now that you are making one...means longer wait for me.lol

Thanks for sharing the results(found on your BR forum)

 

Wich i could se all the tests on one page , ive been searching page thru page to see results

 

Go to the Buschur Forums and Dave has a thread with his original testing in one concise thread... and then this most recent round of testing is in another thread.