Power Coming out of the woodwork in the last year?
Power Coming out of the woodwork in the last year?
I am very curious to how within this past year, all of a sudden we are seeing cars making 100+ more horsepower on pump gas.
I understand that people learn tweaks along the way, and I am sure that the gas hasn't gotten any better this past year. So the question is, how is it, all of a sudden do all of these cars make all this power on pump gas?
I have done some searching to find someone else asking this same question, but I was unable to find any answers.
My only conclusion is, I did read something about a year ago, when someone found a map or something to that effect from Europe. This fuel / timing / boost map had very very low timing, but higher boost to make up for it. I am wondering if that has been the "magical" secret that has been used as of late.
I understand that people learn tweaks along the way, and I am sure that the gas hasn't gotten any better this past year. So the question is, how is it, all of a sudden do all of these cars make all this power on pump gas?
I have done some searching to find someone else asking this same question, but I was unable to find any answers.
My only conclusion is, I did read something about a year ago, when someone found a map or something to that effect from Europe. This fuel / timing / boost map had very very low timing, but higher boost to make up for it. I am wondering if that has been the "magical" secret that has been used as of late.
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j/k
I wondered the same thing myself. I dont think you will get a real answer though. Tuners don't want people to know how they make big power. I can't blame them, they spent the time figuring it out, they should recieve the benefit $$$$.
j/k
I wondered the same thing myself. I dont think you will get a real answer though. Tuners don't want people to know how they make big power. I can't blame them, they spent the time figuring it out, they should recieve the benefit $$$$.
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I am very curious to how within this past year, all of a sudden we are seeing cars making 100+ more horsepower on pump gas.
I understand that people learn tweaks along the way, and I am sure that the gas hasn't gotten any better this past year. So the question is, how is it, all of a sudden do all of these cars make all this power on pump gas?
I have done some searching to find someone else asking this same question, but I was unable to find any answers.
My only conclusion is, I did read something about a year ago, when someone found a map or something to that effect from Europe. This fuel / timing / boost map had very very low timing, but higher boost to make up for it. I am wondering if that has been the "magical" secret that has been used as of late.
I understand that people learn tweaks along the way, and I am sure that the gas hasn't gotten any better this past year. So the question is, how is it, all of a sudden do all of these cars make all this power on pump gas?
I have done some searching to find someone else asking this same question, but I was unable to find any answers.
My only conclusion is, I did read something about a year ago, when someone found a map or something to that effect from Europe. This fuel / timing / boost map had very very low timing, but higher boost to make up for it. I am wondering if that has been the "magical" secret that has been used as of late.
Been doing it since 95 so not new to me but then I do monitor the engine correctly, most of the UK do this also.
Mark
Mark Shead is one of the most well renowned tuners in the world, let alone the USA. They have been making big power on pump gas in evos years before we even had the evo 8 here, thats a fact.
Only in the past 2-3 years have american tuners been able to push pump gas to the levels of the Europeans in the evo tuning scene.
Scorke
Yep, that is what I am talking about. I know it has to be in the tuning, because there has been stories of cars coming back to the dyno that made a certain HP level, then was retuned to make more. Same setup, same gas.
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it only takes one person to start a new trend, as soon as one person makes high hp on pump everyone else want to also.
I did some tests on a stock turbo evo about a year ago and i tuned it for 28 psi on pump and it was just a tad bit slower than a 28 psi evo on meth.
I did some tests on a stock turbo evo about a year ago and i tuned it for 28 psi on pump and it was just a tad bit slower than a 28 psi evo on meth.
Tuning is the art of knowing or thinking you know what the car will need before making the pulls, and being efficient in your changes meaning that the changes you are making are effecting the car (and power output) as you want them too.
Anybody with a laptop a dyno and lots of time could figure out how to extract the most amount of power out of there particular setup by increasing boost, dropping timing, adding fuel and monitoring knock, tuners are able to get your car within 95 percent of its max potential however in a milisecond compared to what it would take an untrained or experienced enthusiast to do.
In the past safety and not blowing up engines has been a the main priority, now that everybody is obsessed with peak numbers and records you will see more tuners throwing more aggressive and less safe tunes on cars to make these numbers to sell more products, plain and simple.
Scorke
You can do it yourself on a dyno adding and subtracting fuel and adding and subtracting timing.
Tuning is the art of knowing or thinking you know what the car will need before making the pulls, and being efficient in your changes meaning that the changes you are making are effecting the car (and power output) as you want them too.
Anybody with a laptop a dyno and lots of time could figure out how to extract the most amount of power out of there particular setup by increasing boost, dropping timing, adding fuel and monitoring knock, tuners are able to get your car within 95 percent of its max potential however in a milisecond compared to what it would take an untrained or experienced enthusiast to do.
In the past safety and not blowing up engines has been a the main priority, now that everybody is obsessed with peak numbers and records you will see more tuners throwing more aggressive and less safe tunes on cars to make these numbers to sell more products, plain and simple.
Scorke
Tuning is the art of knowing or thinking you know what the car will need before making the pulls, and being efficient in your changes meaning that the changes you are making are effecting the car (and power output) as you want them too.
Anybody with a laptop a dyno and lots of time could figure out how to extract the most amount of power out of there particular setup by increasing boost, dropping timing, adding fuel and monitoring knock, tuners are able to get your car within 95 percent of its max potential however in a milisecond compared to what it would take an untrained or experienced enthusiast to do.
In the past safety and not blowing up engines has been a the main priority, now that everybody is obsessed with peak numbers and records you will see more tuners throwing more aggressive and less safe tunes on cars to make these numbers to sell more products, plain and simple.
Scorke
I usually see BHP numbers from the UK, not WHP. If you mean to tell me that this guy was doing EXACTLY what shops like Buschur are doing now, but he was doing it years ago, I have trouble believing it. I fully believe that you are good at what you do, but if this type of tuning has been around for so long it would just be "the way" wouldnt it? If not it surely would have come around a little sooner than the 5 years that the Evo has been here.
i know the car your talking about and it was a monster....but was that setup safe???
im not trying to question anyones tuning abilitys but with all that boost on such a small turbo and ''low'' timing wouldnt the EGTs be sky high.
kinda like scorke was saying about the super aggressive tunes and Peak numbers
the trend in PUMP gas power is still impressive to say the least
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I usually see BHP numbers from the UK, not WHP. If you mean to tell me that this guy was doing EXACTLY what shops like Buschur are doing now, but he was doing it years ago, I have trouble believing it. I fully believe that you are good at what you do, but if this type of tuning has been around for so long it would just be "the way" wouldnt it? If not it surely would have come around a little sooner than the 5 years that the Evo has been here.