take a seat sir, u just got hosed

 

People need to stop looking at peak torque numbers and realize tq = horsepower.

It is how horsepower is calculated.

Look at the power sheet posted in this thread and instead of looking at the peak torque numbers at the bottom of the sheet, look at the torque curve and realize it's almost flat the whole way across the powerband. In order for the 500hp to be made the torque has to stay pretty constant across the powerband.

Now look at the torque curve again and realize it only drops about 20wtq, if that, all the way to 8,000 rpm.

I know everyone loves to just look at peak numbers but it's really getting old quickly... Evom fog is setting in on this thread now.

 

 

Exactly. And Trq is also what breaks engines...not whp. The trq curve is a direct corrolation to cylinder pressure. 500whp on pump is an acheivement, and with a large turbo and pump gas means you aren't going to have a lot of trq. Take the results for what they are worth. Cheers!

 

In the same breath you tell me not to hate, you also spit out nasty insults? Oh boy how can I talk to people with logic like that?

It's a simple point... if you went with a longer stroke, you would make more torque, and the power band would be shifted to the left. You chose to make less torque and move the power band to the right for the sake of being able to rev the engine higher. Does this offend you? It's not an insult.

WTF is wrong with this board. I can't say one single thing without the negativity just flying out of peoples mouths.

 

Torque breaks engines?

I always thought if you spec and build an engine properly, and there is no detonation, you will likely have 100% reliability.

I never said this car was not great! I simply said if it was stroker it would have made more torque. Simple as.

And I have driven a GT35R on a 2 litre and a 2.4 and I liked the 2.4 more because of the torque. So I think I am allowed to express my views!

 

The funny thing is this car previously had a stroker in it.

 

This comments proves that you have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about. You just continue to regurgitate all the misinformation you read on the internet.


As for me writing a check to Buschur....that's funny also. I done more than my fair share of building fast s**t on my own.

On the other hand....did you build your own motor....I mean BUILD your own motor?? Did you cast the block? Did you forge the pistons and rods? Did you weld your exhaust manifold together? Did you balance your turbo rotating assembly. What's that...you didn't??? Oh, you must of wrote a check then too. To bad your check just allows you to bench race on the internet while some of us are on the street or track showing people our tail lights.

Why don't you do yourself and everyone else a favor and stay out of any thread pertaining to Buschur Racing and their REAL accomplishments. Go ahead and "express your views." Just do it in someone elses thread.

I think I heard Rico calling your name....

 

Why are you being such a d!ck?

Honestly, you don't even know me. All I said is you sacrificed some torque for 1/4 mile times and you've been crying ever since.

Since you are so sure my car is a dead stock... do you want to bet on it? Our track prep is crap down here, so how about we bet whether my car will run a low 10? You seem so confident, I'm quite sure you'd be willing to bet I can't run a low 10.

And regarding "torque".. there is plenty examples of 4G63's making a lot of torque and they are reliable. So I was questioning the blanket statement of torque breaks engines. It just seemed odd to me. Bad mapping breaks engines makes sense. Torque breaks engines does not make sense to me.

 

At this point, I think you own a Honda. I've never seen one picture, mod list, dyno chart, or track time from you.

I really want to hear less of this and more of this from you.

You go and run any kind of respectable number and I'll be the first to congradulate you. Until that happens, I will continue to hate on you and any other bench racer that thinks they know everything.


Do you know the concept of the 4 stroke internal combustion engine? Torque is directly equated to cylinder pressure. Creating more cylinder pressure creates more torque. An engine no matter how well built can only handle so much cylinder pressure for so long.

 

Ahh ok so no bet then. Darn you were so sure my car was slow though!

Look man, I really don't think I was insulting to you. You seem convinced everyone needs to shut up and bow down to another car because they run a better time. I think this is not such a cool theory.

You also seem to get a kick out of accusing me I don't know ****, when you don't even know me. So why is that exactly?

I want to hear from the guy that runs 13.3... it doesn't mean they are dumbass if they own a crap evo. I mean seriously. I've read many books on 4-stroke perfomance, forced induction, etc. I've done a lot of work on my own car. I think I should have a voice on flippin' Evo board!

Torque doesn't destroy engines... bad mapping destroys engines, going lean destroys engines, not using strong enough compenents destroys engines. That was my point.

I hope you understand my point in this. I might have over-reacted by saying "get over yourself" when you said I should not talk. I apologize for saying that. But you have plenty more than that to apologize for which I doubt you will.

 

crcrain, It is not you questions that get you in trouble on this forum it’s you sarcasm. You make a statement, wait for a response, and the sarcasm begins. Then when someone comes back to challenge you, you cry poor me why are you doing this to me. This is really getting old, I think 9sec9 told you the same thing months ago. I think more people would have more respect for you if you thought about what you say before posting, and you would earn respect that way. I don’t know you, but for someone who has been on this forum since 2002 I would expect a little more maturity. This is not a slam just some constructive criticism.

 

I appreciate your input but if you look at the sequence of posts in this thread I fail to see how I am the one guilty of bad behaviour.

 

I did re-read the posts... and I will say, maybe I over reacted to someone saying, "do not talk". I apologize for the "get over yourself" comment.

And I am laughing right now... because, I'm wondering who is "rico"? It's just funny because some friends of mine made a movie for kicks and the bad guy in that was "rico" And btw there was a good Evo chase scene in that movie in my friends III. Some sideways moments in there.

 

My attempt at being succinct failed miserably.

The area of highest cylinder pressure, is the area of highest trq in an engine....NOT the highest WHP level or the highest RPM.

The region where cylinder pressure is the highest, is also the area most likely to experience detonation, and is also the area where ignition timing should be at its lowest point.

All things being equal, a 500whp/500ft-lb trq engine is under LESS stress than a 500whp/375whp engine, and will last longer.