Whose fault is it???
Whose fault is it???
OK, edited this to because after speaking to the owner of the tune shop myself, got the little more of the story there was AND they are doing the right thing. There is no need for this to go on anymore. Thank you everyone for you opinions. And please always remember, we all take risks with these cars making big numbers and there is alot of gray area when something goes wrong. Be careful who you choose to have your car tuned by as some guys in this market will blow you off, tell you your car is no good or your parts are no good and be very unprofessional. Stick with people that do the right thing.
-Steve
-Steve
Last edited by StevenStarke; Aug 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM.
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The owner.
When dealing with 2 different shops, he needs to document everything that each shop does and exchange that info. with the other shop whether it's relevant or not. This is just another reason why:
a) You should work on your own car or;
b) Choose a shop of your liking to work on it and stick with them since they will know everything that has been done to the vehicle and full responsibility falls with them if anything ****s up that was the result of their workmanship.
It was the owners responsibility to know which plugs were purchased or at least informed the other shop that the plugs had been replaced by "other" shop X and whatever other work that had been done. These should all be documented. If you are ignorant, you will pay for it with your check book.
When dealing with 2 different shops, he needs to document everything that each shop does and exchange that info. with the other shop whether it's relevant or not. This is just another reason why:
a) You should work on your own car or;
b) Choose a shop of your liking to work on it and stick with them since they will know everything that has been done to the vehicle and full responsibility falls with them if anything ****s up that was the result of their workmanship.
It was the owners responsibility to know which plugs were purchased or at least informed the other shop that the plugs had been replaced by "other" shop X and whatever other work that had been done. These should all be documented. If you are ignorant, you will pay for it with your check book.
Whoa. That's a big fault. I would say: If shop F sold him plugs that weren't car specific, meaning that those plugs are NOT supposed to be ran in an evo, it's their fault. But if he got plugs that may work in non-modified evo's, and blew the plug because he's running 575hp, I'd say that's his fault for not being more careful about the right plugs for his monster.
First question is, is that really a plug issue? Shop "A" blamed the plugs, but there are plenty of people running NGK coppers (I run BPR8ES myself). It's not like the guy put Pulsars in or anything. So, does it really make that much of a difference? And. if it doesn't, I think Shop A might be trying to shirk responsibility.
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how about the owner for buying the plugs? or the manufacturer of the plugs, who is gonna say that they were not intended for that application. all in all, i think the owner is SOL
In the end it should be the responsibility of the owner to be aware and educate themselves about the parts that get put into THEIR car. Too bad, but the modding game is expensive, Knowledge allows you to make better decisions on how, where to spend your money, As in many things in life spend your money unwisely and get screwed.
Not to mention, If I drop my car off at my tuner and say I want a "full max tune" and the motor blows, Should I be shocked?
Not to mention, If I drop my car off at my tuner and say I want a "full max tune" and the motor blows, Should I be shocked?
The tuner is at fault. The engine detonated and the plug was burnt off. That plug works in the EVO9 very well. The tuner was not doing his job and the engine detonated and burnt off a plug. I don't care if there was a candle wick in there, it is the tuners job to monitor WTF he is being paid to do and obviously who ever the guy tuning the car was, was NOT doing his job.
The tuner is at fault. The engine detonated and the plug was burnt off. That plug works in the EVO9 very well. The tuner was not doing his job and the engine detonated and burnt off a plug. I don't care if there was a candle wick in there, it is the tuners job to monitor WTF he is being paid to do and obviously who ever the guy tuning the car was, was NOT doing his job.
BTW, expert witnesses are usually paid well ($1000 to $2000/day in a court trial last time I checked)
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The tuner is at fault. The engine detonated and the plug was burnt off. That plug works in the EVO9 very well. The tuner was not doing his job and the engine detonated and burnt off a plug. I don't care if there was a candle wick in there, it is the tuners job to monitor WTF he is being paid to do and obviously who ever the guy tuning the car was, was NOT doing his job.
Jumping the gun a little without a part number it could be completly the wrong plug, and a picture also shows the state of the plug,
You are most likely right but without this info it would be a complete guess.
Mark