2.0L or 2.3L? for the gt40r
First, its Geoff.
Second, Buschur for the longest time ran a Full-Race manifold on his own car.
Geoff and (full-race) puts parts on cars that are above and beyond anything buschur could produce.
Geoff focuses SOLELY on maximizing the performance out of turbocharged applications via better manufacturing techniques, high quality raw materials, and real engineering.
He tests on many platform, I don't care that the 4G63 is not his benchmark, as long as he can reproduce similar tests on other similar motors and they all translate to some degree depending on the particulars to the engine dynamics(dimensions and build).
Geoff's kits outperform all other kits on the market, the reason they don't sell hand over fist is because he doesnt get a couple different manufacturers to make parts for them and slap them together to make a kit, he ENGINEEERS every part that goes into the kit that he can possibly design and fabricate in house. The only way Full-Race would ever compete with Buschur on a large scale would be if they outsourced lots of there components or cut quality to compete in cost, Geoff wants to produce the best pieces he physically can, and that takes time and money.
People don't buy 40r's because they are expensive, require twin scroll manifolds, require two wastegates.......theres many reasons.
Scorke
Second, Buschur for the longest time ran a Full-Race manifold on his own car.
Geoff and (full-race) puts parts on cars that are above and beyond anything buschur could produce.
Geoff focuses SOLELY on maximizing the performance out of turbocharged applications via better manufacturing techniques, high quality raw materials, and real engineering.
He tests on many platform, I don't care that the 4G63 is not his benchmark, as long as he can reproduce similar tests on other similar motors and they all translate to some degree depending on the particulars to the engine dynamics(dimensions and build).
Geoff's kits outperform all other kits on the market, the reason they don't sell hand over fist is because he doesnt get a couple different manufacturers to make parts for them and slap them together to make a kit, he ENGINEEERS every part that goes into the kit that he can possibly design and fabricate in house. The only way Full-Race would ever compete with Buschur on a large scale would be if they outsourced lots of there components or cut quality to compete in cost, Geoff wants to produce the best pieces he physically can, and that takes time and money.
People don't buy 40r's because they are expensive, require twin scroll manifolds, require two wastegates.......theres many reasons.
Scorke
The real reason he doesn't sell as many kits is becasue he's statements like yours "Geoff's kits outperform all other kits on the market", haven't been proven on a built Evo in the real world. And have defenitely not produced cars like AMS and Buschur. It would only take one documented FR TS 40r car to prove Geoffs assertions and have the consumers go crazy. That's why I don't understand why Geoff won't support a loyal customer like Evodan who has done more to promote Evo FullRace products in the USA than anyone.
Evodan had the TS 30r that performed great and he took it to the track and i bet that alone sold many 30r and 35r kits for FR, not unproven evo statemnts. It would have been so easy for FR to step up and provide a 40r kit so he could use his $$ to build his car and tranny that is now currently broken. If Evodan's #'s(mph and spool) proved Geoffs statements correct about the 40r they would be selling like hotcakes IMO. Instead we get an answer that FS does not sponsor cars. Well, if you don't build or sponsor Evo's shouldnt we get hard #'s and comparisons before the statements are made "i respectfully disagree. a properly built/tuned twinscroll 40R is VERY street friendly, and will obliterate a singlescroll 35R based setup." that's a mighty claim when you have hard evidnece, #'s and videos with so many Buschur and AMS cars.
We are still waiting for the built FullRace 40r car pushing 40psi to compare, that's why they don't sell as much. Since we have been waiting so long for the results ON AN EVO, I think most people just take Buschurs word for it since he is literally an obsessed madman when it comes to making his RS go fast and we have seen how he will change parts if they work better. If the TS 40r kit would hve performed as advertised, Buschur would either sell them or produce his own TS kits IMHO. It's the conclution I have to come to since we're still waiting for the FullRace 40r hard #'s ON AN EVO.
Last edited by bolio; Sep 16, 2008 at 11:44 PM.
well thanx for the inputs guys and the turbo is actually a 4094 some odd reason 88 was stuck in my head
im kinda wanting to go big. . . . like ive been in a 35r car and it is fast but i do want faster
that is just me believe me there are plenty of cars round these parts that could destroy a 35r evo so i gots to step my game up
im kinda wanting to go big. . . . like ive been in a 35r car and it is fast but i do want faster
that is just me believe me there are plenty of cars round these parts that could destroy a 35r evo so i gots to step my game up
This thread is a good example why i never speak about technical results or my R&D on forums. Too many keeboard ninjas come out to play yet have no clue beyond the nonsense they read on forums.
And as for the evidence...i paid my school fees and its not for public consumption.
Further because someone tested one kit and it worked, this does not make them industry leader....LOL. I respect the other tuners and fabricators globaly...but comment like that makes no sense.
Now let me not hold up the forum entrtainement any further...
Adelin
And as for the evidence...i paid my school fees and its not for public consumption. Further because someone tested one kit and it worked, this does not make them industry leader....LOL. I respect the other tuners and fabricators globaly...but comment like that makes no sense.
Now let me not hold up the forum entrtainement any further...
Adelin
Last edited by popadel; Sep 17, 2008 at 03:53 AM.
let me put my 2cents in here. bolio makes a good example ive been on the fence on what turbo to get. well after seeing davids 9sec pass on the fs635 and i was sold instanly and guess what my wife was too and we put an order in for one the next day.
now if FR sponsored a car or made a car themsleves to back up there claims they would sell like hot cakes.
now if FR sponsored a car or made a car themsleves to back up there claims they would sell like hot cakes.
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