TTP's FullBlown E85 upgrade and dynotesting on the stock block 571whp/481wtq!
performance wise as in gains.
and of course pricing like mike said 5 gal/$75 or $30 for a full tank?
Last edited by dmoevo; Jul 22, 2009 at 09:40 AM.
While E85 does require somewhere around 30% more fuel per HP than gas, the other reason big injectors are needed is that he's making beaucoup HP 
Lots of air from that HTA86 requires lots of fuel to match.
Lots of air from that HTA86 requires lots of fuel to match.
But E-85 "acts" like 110. Octane is not everything. E85 evaporation helps too cool down stuff reducing chance of detonation. Kind of like meth does.
Bryan is right. The Zt-2 is a LAMBDA meter. Displayed AFR, is converted lambda into AFR for petrol. So if you use E85 the Zt-2 still reads lambda and you can use converted petrol AFR number for your tuning pleasure. It's not a "real" ethanol AFR as molecular fuel weight is completely different, but who knows what % of E is in the tank any way. Even if using Zeitronix ECA you would have to calculate a stoichometric air/fuel weight for a given mix you are using right now. So using lambda is the most practical. If you do not speak lambda, then use converted petrol AFR. simple
1600's seem to work fine on E85, but are a bit of hassle to get to run on pump gas because of the low IDC's at idle and low loads.
It all depends on each persons perception of "running correctly".
It all depends on each persons perception of "running correctly".
As for the price of E85 at the station.. Anyone consider distilling thier own ethanol and running 95-100 precent E? I'm planning on building a still for this exact purpose and buying corn feedstock to make E95 (or 100 if I use a molecular sieve to filter the extra water in the blend) for less than 50cents a gallon. If you live close enough to a saw mill you can take the saw dust off em and make ethanol from wood as well by using a relativley simple process described here: http://www.green-trust.org/sawdust_ethanol.htm
In this case if you could get free sawdust from the mill you could drive a 572+whp car like the one aforementioned for maybe 10 or 20 cents a galllon after that initial startup investment in building your fermenting containers/still and buying the enzymes(which if done smart could be quite cheap by raiding your local junkyard or garbage lot).
This is also legal if you apply for a free permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms, but if you go the legal route you will have to distill outside, have the possibility of them coming by and inspecting your operation, and also using some kind of additive to keep the alcohol from being "beverage grade"; usually by just adding some regular fuel(the ethanol must be water free to do this or the gasoline can seperate from the rest) or a small amount of methanol (no concern with some water in the mix).
Also it should be noted that going the legal route can make you elligable for some tax rebates for driving an ethanol car or even for selling ethanol fuel.
Not to even mention how sweet it would be to have a 600hp daily driver EVO that ran on corn and sawdust!
In this case if you could get free sawdust from the mill you could drive a 572+whp car like the one aforementioned for maybe 10 or 20 cents a galllon after that initial startup investment in building your fermenting containers/still and buying the enzymes(which if done smart could be quite cheap by raiding your local junkyard or garbage lot).
This is also legal if you apply for a free permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms, but if you go the legal route you will have to distill outside, have the possibility of them coming by and inspecting your operation, and also using some kind of additive to keep the alcohol from being "beverage grade"; usually by just adding some regular fuel(the ethanol must be water free to do this or the gasoline can seperate from the rest) or a small amount of methanol (no concern with some water in the mix).
Also it should be noted that going the legal route can make you elligable for some tax rebates for driving an ethanol car or even for selling ethanol fuel.
Not to even mention how sweet it would be to have a 600hp daily driver EVO that ran on corn and sawdust!
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As for the price of E85 at the station.. Anyone consider distilling thier own ethanol and running 95-100 precent E? I'm planning on building a still for this exact purpose and buying corn feedstock to make E95 (or 100 if I use a molecular sieve to filter the extra water in the blend) for less than 50cents a gallon. If you live close enough to a saw mill you can take the saw dust off em and make ethanol from wood as well by using a relativley simple process described here: http://www.green-trust.org/sawdust_ethanol.htm
In this case if you could get free sawdust from the mill you could drive a 572+whp car like the one aforementioned for maybe 10 or 20 cents a galllon after that initial startup investment in building your fermenting containers/still and buying the enzymes(which if done smart could be quite cheap by raiding your local junkyard or garbage lot).
This is also legal if you apply for a free permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms, but if you go the legal route you will have to distill outside, have the possibility of them coming by and inspecting your operation, and also using some kind of additive to keep the alcohol from being "beverage grade"; usually by just adding some regular fuel(the ethanol must be water free to do this or the gasoline can seperate from the rest) or a small amount of methanol (no concern with some water in the mix).
Also it should be noted that going the legal route can make you elligable for some tax rebates for driving an ethanol car or even for selling ethanol fuel.
Not to even mention how sweet it would be to have a 600hp daily driver EVO that ran on corn and sawdust!
In this case if you could get free sawdust from the mill you could drive a 572+whp car like the one aforementioned for maybe 10 or 20 cents a galllon after that initial startup investment in building your fermenting containers/still and buying the enzymes(which if done smart could be quite cheap by raiding your local junkyard or garbage lot).
This is also legal if you apply for a free permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms, but if you go the legal route you will have to distill outside, have the possibility of them coming by and inspecting your operation, and also using some kind of additive to keep the alcohol from being "beverage grade"; usually by just adding some regular fuel(the ethanol must be water free to do this or the gasoline can seperate from the rest) or a small amount of methanol (no concern with some water in the mix).
Also it should be noted that going the legal route can make you elligable for some tax rebates for driving an ethanol car or even for selling ethanol fuel.
Not to even mention how sweet it would be to have a 600hp daily driver EVO that ran on corn and sawdust!
when speaking of the switch between maps do you actually have a switch or do you have to use your computer? I have an AEM in my IX I'm thinking of switching to E85, but I don't want to have to lug the computer around everywhere in the car if I need to switch fuel.
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An illuminated switch indicating the successful switch from 93 octane and injector scaling / latency, ignition timing and fueling maps to the second set of all of the preceding maps.