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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by BLKEVO8
Dirk what compound is your replacement clutch going to be made of? I hear carbon based is very good for some slipping? I am also looking to keep the stock PP and fly wheel, just looking for a good clutch for Street and Track. The car is modified 300+ HP what would you recommend.
Our street setup will be organic, which uses a thermal resin based friction material. Carbon is great if you get the right stuff. Unless you get a full carbon/carbon clutch which runs carbon on carbon (no resin or metal) you are at the mercy of either the failure point of the metal or the resin. A true carbon/carbon has a higher heat tolerance. It doesn't sound like you need a $4000 clutch though.

For 300hp on the street a basic ACT street setup will work perfect. Sorry, I don't believe in bells or whistles or sizzle to sell our clutches. Just like many factory designs, a generous increase in clamp load and good materials goes a long way. If you look at factory designs for Porsche 911 for instance, the only significant difference between turbo and non-turbo clutches is the clamp load. The same is true on many other cars when comparing turbo vs. non-turbo or 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl cars.
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 11:18 AM
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Thanks Dirk for your info. This clears it all up. I still don't kow about a 2900lb pressure plate???
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 11:33 AM
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Sidenote: Street discs are not a fragile as people make them out to be. John Shepherd decide to put slicks on his DSM and just ran 8.76 @ 165mph using a street disc. He blows my mind with that car! He will be building an EVO for the future.

I think it will take John about 8 seconds to decide which clutch brand to use. Shameless plug! Sorry.
But he did burn that disk up the very next run as did a few other DSMer's that day. Sticky track.

Nothing against you guys. I agree that you make great clutches. And if it weren't for the fact that the RMR was cheaper and readily available, I would have gone with a clutch from you. Too bad my OE clutch went out on me so early.
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 12:01 PM
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But he did burn that disk up the very next run as did a few other DSMer's that day. Sticky track.

Nothing against you guys. I agree that you make great clutches. And if it weren't for the fact that the RMR was cheaper and readily available, I would have gone with a clutch from you. Too bad my OE clutch went out on me so early.
No, actually he burnt one up the week before when he ran 8.9? on street tires on the same clutch he has had for a few races. Just not enough clamp load for the job. He put a new clutch in for the next week. No apologies though even when he does burn it up. He has gone way quicker than I ever thought he could with a street disc. He can always put in a race disc and it would hold fine. He is just concerned about learning to drive on it consistently without breaking parts. He has gotten spoiled with the driveability of what he has now.
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 12:23 PM
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?? Why do you say this?

Dirk (owner of ACT) likes the stock disc. He will be making a heavy duty street disc in the future, but the stock disc is fine. We also stock a HD disc now that works great. If you want a 6 puck disc to tear up your flywheel and make thigs chattery, we can get you one. But the ACT clutch we sell is the real deal. If you have any questions on this, call ACT direct and ask for clarification.

Mike W
I second this...

Originally posted by lil'evil_evo
Wait for the ACT set up to come out. The one on www.roadraceengineering.com is not a true ACT set up. The RMR 6 puck is a 6 puck so it's not a daily driver set up. Act's set up should be ready sometime in Nov. They shoud have 3 different set up to chose from. Just like the DSM's set up.
I have this set-up... ACT pressure plate w/ disc & flywheel from RRE. Performs awesome and is very streetable. Not a true ACT set-up? Why is that...? because it doesn't include an ACT flywheel? Stock flywheel works great with the upgraded pressure plate... sorry to inform ya but your assumption is just a bit off there bud.

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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 01:45 PM
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I have this set-up... ACT pressure plate w/ disc & flywheel from RRE. Performs awesome and is very streetable. Not a true ACT set-up? Why is that...? because it doesn't include an ACT flywheel? Stock flywheel works great with the upgraded pressure plate... sorry to inform ya but your assumption is just a bit off there bud.
Your to late on this one. Read above as we found this to be wrong info given and the probelm is now cleared up.
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 09:15 PM
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Actually im a proffesional and it takes me 4-5 hours to do the clutch job on an EVO. There is a huge difference between someone that does heavy wotk once in a while and someone that does it for a living. $150 for a clutch-he's definetely not check around for evo clutch prices
So for those of us who do heavy work more than every once in a while... give us the jist of doing a Evo clutch job vs. a GSX. Hell, I don't think it would be wise to post a how to since you seem to work for Mitsu... but it would really help everyone out if it were to some how show up on the board via 3rd person...

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Old Oct 15, 2003 | 07:10 AM
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No, actually he burnt one up the week before when he ran 8.9? on street tires on the same clutch he has had for a few races.
Good call. My mistake.
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Old Dec 14, 2003 | 08:27 PM
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Hey guys, I am just catching back up with this thread and must appologize for missinforming anyone on the X-ACT flywheel topic . The point about the flywheel entered my conversation with Richard and I guess nothing was finalized at that time, things were still speculative at that point in the design phase. Dirk I sure hope that you get some of your kits in stock soon, seeing as how my clutch is officially gone as of tonight, last time I called you guys were on back order, which isn't a suprise considering the anticipation of this kit. Take care, I'll be ordering soon.

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Old Dec 14, 2003 | 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by natedogg


Its just nuts and bolts pal. One just has to have the right tools. I can't count how many times I've taken out and re-installed the transmission in my DSM. The EVO drivetrain isn't that much different. I haven't been tuning and working on the 4g63 as long as Mike up there, but I've been tuning and working on it long enough to know how to do a simple clutch job on one. Replacing the pressure plate and resurfacing the flywheel is only necessary if they are smoked. Easy to see by inspecting them. The TO bearing can be had for pretty cheap from Mitsu. Gear oil is cheap too. Just because it says newbie next to my name on this particular forum doesn't mean I'm a newbie to a 4g63t hooked to an awd drivetrain. Evo's and DSM's definitely have their differences, but they have enough similarities to make working on one very familiar.

I'm not saying everyone should go out and do their own clutch job on their Evo, but if one is mechanically inclined...its not rocket science.
Well....Let me say that I have changed a few DSM trannys in my day, AWD, FWD, 1g and 2g....In more then a few places...This house, that house, side of the freeway, 24hr fitness parking lot.....Mike W up there can tell you that Im a somewhat competent mechanic.

The EVO ain't easy. It is only vaguely similair, it has some major differences that make it a ****ing huge pain in the ***. I don't like them. I used to get annoyed at the rear motor mount on 2g's or 1g's with ABS....Man, I don't know when I have it good.
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Old Dec 14, 2003 | 11:41 PM
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On jack stands, the GSX was a 3.5 hr out and in deal... I just hope I can knock out the Evo in an afternoon, from what I've seen thus far. I still say a comprehensive Evo clutch How-To (with detailed pics) would be the most important material ever posted on Evom... Too bad all of these people who do the job semi regularly, refuse to share the wealth.
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Old Dec 15, 2003 | 12:28 AM
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I can do a 1g awd clutch in like 2 hours and I would say plan to set aside a good 10 hours for he EVO
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Old Dec 15, 2003 | 12:30 AM
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Actman,

I'm will be installing my SS clutch line soon... should I remove
the clutch restrictor while I'm at it? Would you guys recommend
removing it?

Thanks,
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Old Dec 15, 2003 | 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by JT-KGY
Actman,

I'm will be installing my SS clutch line soon... should I remove
the clutch restrictor while I'm at it? Would you guys recommend
removing it?

Thanks,
If you do a little reading, you will find that he is of the same opinion as I... where do you think I formed my opinion?
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Old Dec 15, 2003 | 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by JT-KGY
Actman,
I'm will be installing my SS clutch line soon... should I remove
the clutch restrictor while I'm at it? Would you guys recommend
removing it?
Thanks,
It it were my car, I would rather control the slip by myself instead of some stupid restrictor. But I also am not afraid to assume the risk of breaking parts when my foot slides off the clutch pedal too fast at high rpm. Let me add that I am not the kind of person to go back to the dealer with the restrictor re-installed and complain how Mitusubishi needs to cover the repair. If you don't plan on driving it aggressively then leaving the restrictor or pulling it out will have no affect. The difference is when you want the clutch to engage faster than the restrictor will let you.
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