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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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Mikey, did you first run the Red with the 18 PSI FP actuator before going to the 25 PSI actuator? If so, how much spring pressure did you run with the Red equipped with the FP 18# actuator, and what was the peak boost pressure on that particular combo?
I first run the Red on a 25psi gate. I couldn't get the damn thing to stop spiking over 30psi. I was hitting 34-35psi all day long. That was with just the 25psi gate seated. I then took that off and put on the 18psi. I have had the damn thing on and off like 10 times over the past 2 weeks messing with it and seeing how much preload I can run and still hold 30psi without overboosting. The EBC can only do so much so I'm trying to find the happy middle ground between the two. I believe I'm at 24-26 and hitting 30psi just fine on my EBC with 100% Response and 100% offset with a Target boost of 30psi.. I'm going back to the shop tomorrow to see if I can add a few more pounds of preload and still maintain 30psi with my 100% EBC settings so that I can maintain fast spool and 0 drop off . I did like the 25psi gate because I was holding 30.5psi at 8k on a 30psi target boost, the only problem is I was overboosting to 35psi for a few hundred rpms and I wanted to keep things smooth, so it came off.

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Thanks for sharing your experience, dude! I can relate to your info. In a way this is related to your post in another thread where we crossed words about the turbine wheel on the Red and the Black turbos.

When the flapper valve lifts off it's seat early even when heavily preloaded indicates too high of a turbine inlet pressure. For the Red FP went and stuffed a relatively large turbine wheel into a housing that was designed for a much smaller diameter wheel.
You mean the turbine wheel that's the same size Red and Black? I don't want to get started on that. I agree with you and that also creates higher EGTs because of back pressure and other things related to the smaller housing. I just like how they kept the same turbine wheel for the Black I know why they did that though. You can't fit a larger turbine wheel in the 10.5 housing and making a new housing with a larger wheel is $$$ and spool would be greatly reduced defeating the purpose of staying stock appearing. At that point people would just go HTA3582 or 86. I just wish someone would log EGTs on the Black. Robert says its lower but I find that hard to believe... I guess I'll know soon enough

I have not seen a black in person yet but I bet Robert ports the flapper mouth to help relieve the higher turbine presure created by the Black's larger compressor wheel. That way it helps eliminate a turbo that sounds like it may be prone to boost creep. Just think about all that extra exhaust gases that have to make it through the stock flapper mouth now that there is a 81mm compressor wheel...
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:39 PM
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I will do a write up of it since the power is nearly identical to an E85 stockblock car we did (497/398 for Glenn), but Ca$h made 495/402 tonight at 29psi with a Magnus, moderate timing, 2 1.0mm aquamist jets on 100% meth, and SD. Its a tune I definitely feel you could safely roadrace on if you had a big enough meth tank.

The cool thing is that Ca$h had ZERO losses and only gains below 5k.
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:40 PM
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You are on the ragged edge, Mikey. Cheers!
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:41 PM
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I will do a write up of it since the power is nearly identical to an E85 stockblock car we did (497/398 for Glenn), but Ca$h made 495/402 tonight at 29psi with a Magnus, moderate timing, 2 1.0mm aquamist jets on 100% meth, and SD. Its a tune I definitely feel you could safely roadrace on if you had a big enough meth tank.

The cool thing is that Ca$h had ZERO losses and only gains below 5k.
Aaron, what does 1.mm aquamist jet translate into cc meth jet?
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:42 PM
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There is a chart, but at full pressure I think its 550cc or something per jet? I will look back and report.
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:43 PM
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You are on the ragged edge, Mikey. Cheers!
why you say that? I'm just a guy that likes to think I may have to much time on my hands.
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
I will do a write up of it since the power is nearly identical to an E85 stockblock car we did (497/398 for Glenn), but Ca$h made 495/402 tonight at 29psi with a Magnus, moderate timing, 2 1.0mm aquamist jets on 100% meth, and SD....
This Magnos IM sounds cool! But, eventhough by asking, I prove myself to be an idiot......WTF is SD? I wants to know!
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There is a chart, but at full pressure I think its 550cc or something per jet? I will look back and report.
Thanks Aaron. What size pump do those kits come with? I think I need to up my pump to 200+ psi.
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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This Magnos IM sounds cool! But, eventhough by asking, I prove myself to be an idiot......WTF is SD? I wants to know!
Speed Density. Aaron is the god at that.
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:48 PM
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I think my torque rating might be seeing a jump here as well. Its looking more and more like 425 Ft lbs (from my exhaustive study of dyno sheets and firsthand experience) might be a little more doable than I first thought. The other thing is how the boost comes in, severe spikes are no good, we need nice smooth transition into boost.
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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As you can see it is very pressure dependent like any other injector. The kit in Ca$h's car basically has an M9's worth of meth going into it. Dont worry Mikey your jet is still bigger
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:55 PM
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Are the ports and plenum on the Magnus IM designed to increase upper midrange torque, as opposed to higher RPM HP?

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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 09:57 PM
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As you can see it is very pressure dependent like any other injector. The kit in Ca$h's car basically has an M9's worth of meth going into it. Dont worry Mikey your jet is still bigger
Thanks Aaron, love you too When will lucas be getting the new snail?
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 10:00 PM
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Are the ports and plenum on the Magnus IM designed to increase upper midrange torque, as opposed to higher RPM HP?
Actually it does create more midrange tq and a **** ton more high rpm hp. Best of both worlds Take a look at my friends before and after. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/7573337-post1.html

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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 10:07 PM
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Thanks Aaron, love you too When will lucas be getting the new snail?
The one that made 766 isnt big enough ? I am not sure when its getting here...should be early next week I think. I think that one is going to end up on a 2.4 car after Luke is done with testing it on the 2.0.
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