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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 05:56 PM
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My God...the OP is hard on turbos. Precision is not known for their reliability these days though. Back in the day, they were....not sure what's happening.
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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BLKCarbonEVO
Sharkbite has a std 2.3

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This is true STD 2.3, I would never pay for those RR those price's are insane!!
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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharkbite2000
This is true STD 2.3, I would never pay for those RR those price's are insane!!
Agreed. You can build a LR2.2 for cheaper. Grab a 94mm Eagle crank, R&R 159mm rods, and 87mm 1.13ch HD Pistons. Then you are good to go 9k

That would be a sick setup but I didn't feel like paying the extra 1k over my current build... I think the LR2.4 will be good enough and great street motor.

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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BLKCarbonEVO
No I have not seen with my own eyes, however do you think a PT will out spool the HTA? No they will not. A 6262 spools around 200rpms later than an single scroll 1.06a/r HTA3586 and you can't TS a 6262. The only PT turbo you can TS that I know of is the 6235 with has a garrett core. A TS HTA3586 will outspool a PT turbo of comparison size any day and still make the same peak power. On a 2.4 the TS HTA3586 should cross 200hp around 4k. You won't ever see a 6262 do that!



Why not? You can rev to 8.8k if you want, however it won't last long. The piston speeds on a 150mm rod 100mm stroke motor begins to warp lightyears ahead around 8k. With a LR 156mm rod you increase your revving capability by 300rpms. There are a ton of people that run a std 4G63 2.3 to 8.5k, sharkbite being one of them and never had a problem. The 4G64 2.4 has a better rod stroke ratio and with a 156mm rod it can def rev to 8.5k without any problems. I wouldn't rev higher than that. I know for a fact that 8.5k in a 4G64 LR 2.4 (100/156mm) is much safe and has a lower piston speed at 8.5k than a std 4G63 2.3 (100/150mm).

Does that make sense?

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i know what your saying and like you said, reliability and longevity start going downhill fast. im pretty sure im going to limit my 94mm x 156mm 2.2L to 8,500 rpm.
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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by n2oiroc
i know what your saying and like you said, reliability and longevity start going downhill fast. im pretty sure im going to limit my 94mm x 156mm 2.2L to 8,500 rpm.
Why did you decide to only go 156mm rod?

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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BLKCarbonEVO
Why did you decide to only go 156mm rod?

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the added cost of the custom rod didnt justify the tiny difference in r/s ratio. 1.66 for the 156mm vs.1.69 for the 159mm is next to nothing imo.
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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by n2oiroc
the added cost of the custom rod didnt justify the tiny difference in r/s ratio. 1.66 for the 156mm vs.1.69 for the 159mm is next to nothing imo.
Well a 1.7 is a perfect r/s... What rods are you going with? GSC make 156mm I-Beams for 750. I think you could have picked up a 159mm rod for 1000k. 250 more is worth it in my opinion. That is 200-300rpm more rev safely

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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BLKCarbonEVO
Well a 1.7 is a perfect r/s... What rods are you going with? GSC make 156mm I-Beams for 750. I think you could have picked up a 159mm rod for 1000k. 250 more is worth it in my opinion. That is 200-300rpm more rev safely

Mikey
156mm turbo tuffs for $659 shipped. im already thinking of slinging crack for cash to finish this thing, im out of money! im thinking ill run out of breath before 8,500 anyways. gsc s2's and .95 a/r twinscroll turbine housing will be the limiting factor. either way, im sure ill see 625+ on pump and 750ish on good gas.

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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by iTune
My God...the OP is hard on turbos. Precision is not known for their reliability these days though. Back in the day, they were....not sure what's happening.
I have never had an issue with a PTE turbo personally or an FP turbo and ive ran em both quit a bit over the years. Now i do have a good friend of mine that just blew a 80mm FP Red with MAYBE 1500 miles on it. Got the recommended FP lines etc... did everything by the book and it has NEVER seen over 27psi. Compressor wheel is is pieces... Its a mess. Car has like 15K on it BTW. I have also had another good friend of mine go through i believe it was 3 FP Greens when they were first released...

I hear about PTE turbos going bad, i hear about FPs going bad etc. I don't think either company makes a bad turbo that doesn't last at all.. I just think SH*T happens. And I definitely don't decide my turbo choice off what people complain about on internet forums or what a vendors turbo of the year choice is as there getting a better deal at the time and recommends.... Not mentioning any names there.. don't even want to open that pointless can of worms lol. Internet forums can be the single most cause of mis information by far though i will say that.
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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Colt4g63
I have never had an issue with a PTE turbo personally or an FP turbo and ive ran em both quit a bit over the years. Now i do have a good friend of mine that just blew a 80mm FP Red with MAYBE 1500 miles on it. Got the recommended FP lines etc... did everything by the book and it has NEVER seen over 27psi. Compressor wheel is is pieces... Its a mess. Car has like 15K on it BTW. I have also had another good friend of mine go through i believe it was 3 FP Greens when they were first released...

I hear about PTE turbos going bad, i hear about FPs going bad etc. I don't think either company makes a bad turbo that doesn't last at all.. I just think SH*T happens. And I definitely don't decide my turbo choice off what people complain about on internet forums or what a vendors turbo of the year choice is as there getting a better deal at the time and recommends.... Not mentioning any names there.. don't even want to open that pointless can of worms lol. Internet forums can be the single most cause of mis information by far though i will say that.
how many garretts do you see blowing up? very few and there are a ton more garretts than pte's and fp's.
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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Got to keep it going i guess.
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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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good thread lots of good info from blk carbon evo and then the he say she say i will add to the he say she say.not saying that one company turbos are better then the other but that fp and garretts warrenty is far better the pte we all no robert at forced performance goes above and beyond and i have had great luck with garrett thus far i cant say the same for the one pte turbo i have owned.
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Old Apr 20, 2010 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mrboost05
good thread lots of good info from blk carbon evo and then the he say she say i will add to the he say she say.not saying that one company turbos are better then the other but that fp and garretts warrenty is far better the pte we all no robert at forced performance goes above and beyond and i have had great luck with garrett thus far i cant say the same for the one pte turbo i have owned.
We try but all threads turn into a he said she said... But I'll agree Garrett and FP FTW! Robert is a great guy and will meet everyone's needs as much as he can! My bud just sent in a Black that failed with only 2k miles on it and Robert hooked him up! Tell me who else will have customer service like that? Yes, Chad a CBRD is a great guy too but he needs more people working for him. It is hard to reach him sometimes.

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Old Apr 21, 2010 | 04:23 PM
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is the fp black comparable to the 850r/ 6262?
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Old Apr 21, 2010 | 04:28 PM
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PTE warrenty straight up garbage!!!
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