Education on PTE Turbo's
The Rallycross team we work with in Poland likes to run these
http://www.compturbo.com/products/in...&product=CT361
http://www.compturbo.com/products/in...&product=CT361
If you want power like the 3586hta i would look at the 67mm turbo. Nice thing about the Comp is the center section is rebuildable for a lot less than a Garrett and it has 3 times the thrust load capabilities
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But what type of 'anti-lag' is that, and how much actual running time does it see?
There is anti-lag, and there is launch control that is casually, erroneously referred to as "anti-lag". IF the 'anti-lag' to which you refer actually dumps fuel into the exhaust (?), any turbo subjected to that will fail in time. If what you have is actually a launch control feature, the cause for the turbo's demise may be something else, which raises different concerns.
There is anti-lag, and there is launch control that is casually, erroneously referred to as "anti-lag". IF the 'anti-lag' to which you refer actually dumps fuel into the exhaust (?), any turbo subjected to that will fail in time. If what you have is actually a launch control feature, the cause for the turbo's demise may be something else, which raises different concerns.
It's the true antilag which dumps fuel into the exhaust, but the key in what you said is "with time". The FP turbo might of experienced a total of 10-20 miles of anti-lag turned on (which only kicks in when my foot is off the gas) so all tolled together, not even 10 minutes on anti-lag running time. I know that eventually any turbo will fail due to antilag but I was very surprised and disappointed when the FP failed so quickly, cause I drove the car with that turbo for a total of 1000-1300 miles.
Which means the exhaust valves, manifold, and turbo are all being subjected to a level of heat that is proven to be destructive.
Your frustration is understandable, but this is a risk that one accepts when using true antilag. Are we talking about a street car here? If so, there isn't any good reason why true antilag should be used on the street.
I advise abandoning the antilag, replacing your turbo, and implementing a much less destructive form of launch control IF you really need it.
Your frustration is understandable, but this is a risk that one accepts when using true antilag. Are we talking about a street car here? If so, there isn't any good reason why true antilag should be used on the street.
I advise abandoning the antilag, replacing your turbo, and implementing a much less destructive form of launch control IF you really need it.
HTA3582 = PT6162
HTA3586 = PT6262
The PT6765 and PT6265, will spool a bit later then the 62 turbine wheel and not really worth it if your looking for faster spool. They are good for high horsepower though
PT6162 Looking around 4800-5000 and the PT6262 looking around 5000-5200 - Spool time can be reduced with different mods, comp ratio, etc.
The PTE Turbo's have there own center section. They use a cermaic ball bearing center section that is oil and air cooled, no water lines like the Garrett.
Thanks!
Michael
HTA3586 = PT6262
The PT6765 and PT6265, will spool a bit later then the 62 turbine wheel and not really worth it if your looking for faster spool. They are good for high horsepower though
PT6162 Looking around 4800-5000 and the PT6262 looking around 5000-5200 - Spool time can be reduced with different mods, comp ratio, etc.
The PTE Turbo's have there own center section. They use a cermaic ball bearing center section that is oil and air cooled, no water lines like the Garrett.
Thanks!
Michael
From our tests the PT6262 and the HTA3586 seem to make right around the same peak results. (mid 700's)
Precision does have another option as well. A PT6235(35R with a billet 62mm wheel) We have tested this turbo to the mid 700's. You can also run twin scroll since it's a true 35R center section.
Thanks!
Michael
Precision does have another option as well. A PT6235(35R with a billet 62mm wheel) We have tested this turbo to the mid 700's. You can also run twin scroll since it's a true 35R center section.
Thanks!
Michael
It sounds like you really have no reason to be running "true" anti-lag and to expect the turbo to last the way you want is not going to happen.
The Garrett TR30 series of turbochargers are designed to be used with anti-lag. They feature inconel or ceramic turbine housings, titanium center housings, some exotic turbine wheel material that is even better at high temps then inconel and a different bearing system that deals with anti-lag better. TR30s I've heard are around $10k. Even then, those turbos are still probably considered throw-away items after a small amount of racing because anti-lag is just THAT hard on turbochargers.
It sounds like you like the sound and effect, but really don't need it. I guess you just have to ask is replacing a $1500 turbochargers every 1000 miles really worth it to you?
The Garrett TR30 series of turbochargers are designed to be used with anti-lag. They feature inconel or ceramic turbine housings, titanium center housings, some exotic turbine wheel material that is even better at high temps then inconel and a different bearing system that deals with anti-lag better. TR30s I've heard are around $10k. Even then, those turbos are still probably considered throw-away items after a small amount of racing because anti-lag is just THAT hard on turbochargers.
It sounds like you like the sound and effect, but really don't need it. I guess you just have to ask is replacing a $1500 turbochargers every 1000 miles really worth it to you?
Now which one of these turbos would give me the quickest spool and suite me best for DD at 30 PSI? And or, would I be better off turning my Red in to a Black for $750?
Current set up, 457WHP and 413 WTQ, hit 11.234 @ 123, goals are 10.199 @ 134.99
Current set up, 457WHP and 413 WTQ, hit 11.234 @ 123, goals are 10.199 @ 134.99
spool 6162,3582,6262,3586,6265,6765 from fast to slowest spool. Any will work at 30psi. As for DD that depends on you. I have people complain about FP green spool up and i have customers who will DD on a 42r depends on you. FP Black is a nice choice as well just not sure how long it will last at 30 psi but should hold up.
