Okay... I bought the Buschur FMIC and upper IC pipe. One thing. They dont supply a T fitting. No big deal though. ONE BIG problem is that the intercooler sits below the tow hook. Hmmmm?????

 

I really want most all Buschur's products too...

 

Yes, the i/c pipe and battery kit does work with the stock airbox.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

That is odd, the intercooler actually is not designed to sit lower than the tow hook. I am wondering if somewhere along the line you didn't hit the hook on a low driveway or curb and bend it up.
I am guess that is what has happened. We intentially left the tow hook lower than the FMIC, this is why I am guessing that.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

greatly increases spoolup and efficiency?

You should do a back to back dyno run with a stock style plumbing setup compared to your setup to see what the difference really is.

 

I didn't/haven't done a back to back dyno run with the stock intercooler/plumbing on the car vs. our full FMIC kit and plumbing kit.

I did figure you are implying something so I went back to the dyno and took a look to see what I could find.

I did all the dyno runs previous to Stage 3 & 4, Tym did those while I wasn't here. From what I can see he ran it differently than I did. When I was running the car I tried to start all the runs at close to 2,000 rpm. Tym looks like he started at no less than 3,000.

I had to search through the dyno runs to get one he started early.

One other thing, we didn't dyno the car with just the FMIC kit, we added the cams at the same time. The cams definetely take away some of the low end hit the car has stock.

Anyway, here is what I found with stock through stage 3.

I used 200 hp as a mark to reach to show how the turbo/mods effected spool up. I figured by the time you are making 200 whp in a 2.0 you are already making decent boost.

Stock the car reached 200 hp at 45.3 mph.

Stage one the car reached 200 hp at 43.06 mph.

Stage two the car reached 200 hp at 41.5 mph.

Stage three the car reached 200 hp at 42.87 mph.

I would contribute the slightly slower reach to 200 hp from the cam change more than the FMIC kit. This is only my opinion though as I don't have a dyno sheet. I do know for a fact the cams take away quite a bit of low end hit.

One other thing I just remembered. I have some dyno sheets from an independent source sitting here in front of me. I didn't do these dyno pulls and I can't share the name of the competitors FMIC that was tested. A customer did the test and agreed to give me the results. I sold him our FMIC kit and told him if it didn't make more power then he could return it.

On this dyno (AWD) it looks like they started their runs late too. Most were started at 35 mph.

Stock the car made it to 200 whp at the same time, maybe 1 mph faster with the aftermarket FMIC. To 250 whp the aftermarket made it there at 46 mph and with stock made it there at 47-48 mph.

On another dyno sheet, our FMIC compared to the otheraftermarket made 200 whp at 36 mph and theirs at 38 mph.

On yet another dyno sheet ours is compared to stock. Stock vs our FMIC kit they both reached 200 whp at exactly 38 mph and to 250 hp ours reached it at 45 mph compared to stock at 47-48 mph.

Anyway, here are some numbers that may or may not help. I do not know what else was done on the car this was dyno'd on. I do know it made a best whp of 332.6, that was with our FMIC on it. Like I say, I don't know what else was done.

I am sure this is all confusing. Basically I think it says I feel the cams killed the spool up more than the FMIC did and our FMIC out spooled stock and a competitors.

Thanks for reading,

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

Hey Mr. Bubble, any thought on the Greddy FMIC kit offered by RRE for $800, looks like it comes with both upper and lower ic piping. Take a look for yourselves here http://www.roadraceengineering.com/evo.htm
it's about 1/2 way down the page.

 

i went with rnr's complete set up and im very very happy with it!!! very clean and nice and big = ) i will post more stuff about my car wene i get it tunned then i will be able to see real power

 

is the greddy kit the v-spec core or the r-spec core???

-non

 

any of these a bar style as opposed to fin??? durability seems to be an issue with bugs, rocks, and road-nasties...

 

Just FYI, if you check out the new Import Tuner they installed a FMIC on an Evo 8(and a few other products). They gained 15hp with the FMIC but lost 30ft/lbs of torque!!! On another note the gained 16hp with just a down pipe!!
John

 

We use a bar and plate core in all of our FMIC kits. Our kit comes with the very short lower plumbing.

The Import Tuner article was a test done on XS Engineerings FMIC kit. That kit actually LOST 17 whp all the way to the 5500 redline, over 5500 rpm it gained 5-7 hp. Not much benefit if you ask me, the car would be slower. Then the torque lost up to 18 ft lbs across the entire RPM range.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

when the day comes it will be a choice between the Greddy and the Buschur for sure, kind of think I'll sway towards the Buschur because it's just so cool to throw your money at something that isn't corporate, that and Buschur just plain rocks. but then I will have to fab my own skid plate, just don't like the idea of that I/C exposed so close to the road, no offense guys at Buschur, just the way I think.

 

Many are in the same boat on that one...

 

I have some information that made me both shocked and then I just drooled.

Yesterday while we were doing some head porting testing on the dyno I was looking at the AEM logs. I was noticing the air intake temperature. It was crazy low in my mind. We were seeing air temps in the very low 100 degree F range at the end of a pull. We had been making pull after pull after pull.

Just to get some information I hadn't looked at in the past we let the intercooler cool off and tried pulling it again. We let the intake temps get down to 77 degrees.

At the beginning of the pull the intake temps measured, as I said, 77 degrees. Doing a 4th gear pull at the end of the pull it measured 80 degrees. I wrote down the results of the next two after getting the intake temps back down in the 70's.

77 f start 80 f at the end of the pull
77 f start 86 f at the end of the pull
71 f start 77 f at the end of the pull

I was so impressed I had Tym go back and double check the calibration of the sensor.

The intercooler kit on the car kicks ***.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com