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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 02:44 PM
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What else do I need to install FPBlack for MAX PWR on 93

Hey guys I'm planing on dropping off my EVO 8 MR 6spd to Ivey in the next couple weeks for my final power build, before I start with my suspension/wheels.
On my last setup FPRed, meth, 33psi I had 490 & 438tq.
I recently installed my FPBlack and had my oil filter housing crack, so in the downtime I decided to attack everything at once and do the final build worthy of an FPBlack on my setup, plus some other mods I had in mind.
I'm not looking or thinking about any track use, I only use her on Sundays if the weather is good, my sole intensions are to have a Sick street car, and for the past 5 plus years of owning her my plans finaly are taking shape thanks to FPBlack and Ivey Tune FTW.

So far I have installed the following-
drop in 2.0 wesco pistons and tt rods
kelford 272
springs and retainers
aquamist hsf1 (when she lights up game over)
catch can vented
syncronic bov
injen upper and lower
turbo xs fmic
AEM trueboost with upgraded sensor to show 30+psi
AEM af guage
AEM oil pressure guage
single walbro
invidia O2
64mm fpred
dc downpipe cat delete
greddy ti-c
rc 780cc
fuel rail
blox front engine mount
exedy twin
spooling up cop
I think that's it


So why she was down and me not having time to bring her to Ivey because, I decided to upgrade some mods.

New installed mods
ETS upper and lower icp
Bushur mini battery
bushur front shifter bushings
bushur inside shifter bushings
FPBlack ported new oil line
25psi wg
ETS intake


When I drop her off I'm gonna tell them to port my intake and exhaust (should I port my TB too?) install a double pumper, injectors don't know how big to go (I only have 93 pump available)
I had an open dump before and didn't like the noise, still gona stick with the same IC
Two maps meth and without
I'm also removing the AC complete on engine side only

typed on iPhone
what else should I do?

I looking for max pwr with my setup and anything else that could be recomended.


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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 02:59 PM
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mr evo,

based on the builds in the dyno section with the black, optimum gains are received by the following:

porting the throttle body will benefit in smoothing of the curve and power delivery and some gains but it will not be of any use without porting the intake manifold like you said you will do.
that turboxs intercooler will not even compare to the buschur street or race core ic. on high hp situations buschur has shown over 30 - 40 wheel gain with ic alone, but i can understand if you just got the turboxs, just mentioning it to let you know.

your other choices are good, and the rest is actually going to be in how scientific your tune is. you must get the best tune possible to squeeze every inch of power out.

for injectors, i would go fic bluemax 1250s. read up on them and you will see how well they perform. pte 1000's are also more than enough

for the tune, read up on ebc tephra v7 setup instead of mbc. tamer from 4ws and others have success with such a setup.
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 03:09 PM
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U think the IC upgrade will benefit that much over the xs?
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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it's not a guarantee, but there are members on here who have received great gains from the buschur garret core. it may only be 10 or 15 whp or higher on the setup, but it will improve that is beyond a doubt.

and porting will cause smoother airflow and some gains. but that tune will do more than anything. the s2's would be good on the 9 but the kelford's are the optimal choice on the 8. but to purchase a new ic for gains isn't as valid. use the xs for a while before you ever upgrade and when you do go garrett core and see the differences. i dont advise to upgrade a new ic to a new ic that fast. in the event you want to upgrade that ic will help.

and this may sound dumb, but more boost obviously will get you gains safely tuned. so yet again it is the tune that will optimize the most since you have great boltons.

most builds are in the 500 something wheel range for pump with these mods any more and you'll need a well prepared meth injection or e85. higher boost and you'll be hurting your neck in no time lol

i advise against meth for prolonged use since it's very risky. e85 with larger injectors would be a better bet for gains as opposed to meth. but it's your choice, its just a rather dangerous field to mess with meth. ask mike@awd about meth issues etc. its just information, take it with how you want but i'm a "reliability" freak so i wouldnt use meth. if you're ready to foot the money for potential motor problems with meth then have away.
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 03:51 PM
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I'm still in the air about the IC, I figured since I have the black now I don't need meth full time like before, so the two map switch will work whenever I want to set her on Kill Mode.
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Old Jun 6, 2010 | 08:01 AM
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Old Jun 6, 2010 | 08:21 AM
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Do a trick IM, such as the Rev 3, or the Magnus. Get a Buschur, PPI, or Milspec ported TB. Get a honcho big frontmount such as the Buschur Race, or the ETS 5" core. This way you should be able to run higher boost levels on 93.
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Old Jun 6, 2010 | 11:23 AM
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a IC makes a huge differance. Just look at the test STM did with the buschur street core. Injectors it may be overkill but i would go fic 2150's that way if you do upgrade again you wont have to worry about it ever again. And your probably going to want a exedy triple since you will be or already are on the limits of the twin.
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Old Jun 6, 2010 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Draven83
a IC makes a huge differance. Just look at the test STM did with the buschur street core. Injectors it may be overkill but i would go fic 2150's that way if you do upgrade again you wont have to worry about it ever again. And your probably going to want a exedy triple since you will be or already are on the limits of the twin.
I second this!! Definitely change the FMIC. Get a Buschur street core at least, if not a 4" FMIC.

Buschur did testing of the ebay FMIC vs his core and although it hold the boost, the ebay fmic failed drastically at reducing air temperatures compared to the buschur core. The ebay fmic WILL prevent you from reaching full potential.

After all the work and parts you have put in, don't let the FMIC, a basic bolt on, hold you back.

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Old Jun 6, 2010 | 02:15 PM
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that buschur race core achieves optimum gains. you'll gain at least 20whp or more. The magnus v5 intake will show gains also, and a tubular manifold. Total gains with mods can exceed 60whp if done properly. I don't advise 2150's because if you have no e85, you're paying too much for no need. the 1250's are more than enough for a black on pump.

the shearer tubular showed gains of 21whp over ported buschur exhaust manifold as tested by TEd b. those three mods are powerful, magnus, race core and tubular manifold of course none beating tune and boost.

L19 headstuds over arp head studs will allow better boost holding conditions to raise boost safely.
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Old Jun 6, 2010 | 02:45 PM
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I'd get the Buschur Race FMIC and convert to ECU controlled boost. For a street car that won't be drag raced, I'd skip the exotic manifolds that trade mid range for top end.
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Originally Posted by Broham
that buschur race core achieves optimum gains. you'll gain at least 20whp or more. The magnus v5 intake will show gains also, and a tubular manifold. Total gains with mods can exceed 60whp if done properly. I don't advise 2150's because if you have no e85, you're paying too much for no need. the 1250's are more than enough for a black on pump.

the shearer tubular showed gains of 21whp over ported buschur exhaust manifold as tested by TEd b. those three mods are powerful, magnus, race core and tubular manifold of course none beating tune and boost.

L19 headstuds over arp head studs will allow better boost holding conditions to raise boost safely.
nice advise so far. people are quick to offer those high end 700+ dollar injectors. if you have no e85 like me no point. btw there are way more tubulars you are not considering.

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Old Jun 6, 2010 | 03:55 PM
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I'd get the Buschur Race FMIC and convert to ECU controlled boost. For a street car that won't be drag raced, I'd skip the exotic manifolds that trade mid range for top end.
Didn't I meet you at the chics and wings meet? Was your rs the one that had seats taken out etc? I understand where you're coming from man, but he just wanted "gains" and the "exotic" manifold will give it, it's proven. Is it worth it? that's another story and debate.

ROck, I was just naming whatever came to mind first. I would go with ets or shearer.
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Originally Posted by Broham
Didn't I meet you at the chics and wings meet? Was your rs the one that had seats taken out etc? I understand where you're coming from man, but he just wanted "gains" and the "exotic" manifold will give it, it's proven. Is it worth it? that's another story and debate.

ROck, I was just naming whatever came to mind first. I would go with ets or shearer.
the so called exotic manifolds works price is not a concern if your trying to make power. SOME of use spent less then 1k and are getting all the gains thats where knowing the right people helps for sure. broham i am going to give you more food for thought i pmed you infomation
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Originally Posted by Broham
Didn't I meet you at the chics and wings meet? Was your rs the one that had seats taken out etc? I understand where you're coming from man, but he just wanted "gains" and the "exotic" manifold will give it, it's proven. Is it worth it? that's another story and debate.
Yes, that was me. No back seat because I have a roll bar.

With my suggestion, I was just thinking of what would make the car the fastest on the street without a drag style launch since the OP said that he wasn't planning to go to the track.

Gains in peak HP (versus average power across the actual RPM range used) don't necessarily equate to a faster car, except in drag racing with a high-RPM launch. And bottom end losses generally take a lot of fun out of a car on the street, which sounded like the most important goal here.
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