Its not all about max HP, for some people its about powerband and driving characteristics. If it was all about max hp there wouldn't be any turbo other then liek a 42r or something retarded laggy.

 

Pay $2k for an fp black setup, or twice that for a 35r setup and most likely make similar power and losing spool...?

 

This. The car is my daily driver (for now) so I'd like a nice wide powerband that is fun on the street. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to be able to put out 600+ hp, the way I drive the car at the moment, I don't think I'd like it all that much. Plus, the car will only see the drag strip once, maybe twice a year.

 

Why are you doing a 2.3 instead of a std 2.4 or a LR2.4? The 2.4s are much better Sorry for off topic OP

Mikey

 

Well I honestly consider it and had talk to a few different shops to get quotes One of which was ER about a LR2.4 but ER never got back to me. Buschur did directed me to Project White and I was like yeah build me that lol.

I am really glad I went with Buschur though Dealing with David Jarrod and Daniel has been a pleasure even with me being over here and having to call with Skype where they can barley hear me

But David is a no BS kinda guy I ask him if I need something where he could make more money and hes like "No you don't need that this such and such is perfect for what you want."

 

since when could you just drop in a FP green or red without injectors and a retune.... so show me a FP setup you can do for less than $1500 - probably closer to $2000 or more

If you wanted to go that route, I would still opt for a buschur ported manifold and intake manifold for $500-$600 and install the 9 turbo.

that will only help out your FP setup if thats the route you go.


Yes sure you can do a red or a black and make power but the question is at what PSI. A HTA35R setup with a 2.3 would be ideal! You won't lose much spool at all and you will be able to make power with less boost. To me, I don't want to be driving around at 35PSI all day... id rather make the same power at lower boost levels.

sorry for the off topic

 

You should have given ER a chance, they are extremely busy with Aaron taking vacation and now Lucas. I prefer them over anyone. I also prefer a 2.4 over a 2.3 any day!

Mikey

 

The price on the black and red is a lot more attractive then buying an entire turbo kit.

 

Well I time is a factor cause I wanted the car done for my R&R in August and for DSM/Evo Shootout. There was almost a month before they got back to me and that was after I mentioned something in a post about them not getting back to me.

I'm not mad, and I understand people get busy so no harm no foul. I'm sure they build great cars but my car just won't be one of them

I have no worries about the hands my car is in.

 

First off, we were just giving the OP a better turbo choice than a stock IX. His stock IX will only net him 10hp if he is lucky. Not even worth it. And since you said it, you can do an FP turbo for less than 1500. Grab an old style Green!!! Also I nor anyone stated that you didn't have to upgrade the injectors and a tune, so slow your roll! All I said was the turbo was 1200 for the upgrade.

Secondly, the ported stock manifolds are POS. They are not what everyone ups them to be. The Magnus v5 is the **** and there is nothing better! I'm still running stock header on my car btw and making amazing power! You can pick up the Magnus v5 for 700-800 shipped now. Why would you spend 600+ on ported stock **** when for a few hundred more you can make a 40-50hp gain?

Third, you will make more power on less boost. He could run 25psi on stock VIII throw on the Black at 25psi and make 75+ more hp safer with lower EGTs! Also I don't think he is looking to spend 4-5k on a HTA35r turbo kit so why are you telling him that? Besides I would have to disagree with you anyway, the Black is a HTA3582 for 2500 cheaper and will spool faster on his 2.3L. There have been a few people make 700hp on the Black and I hear someone else will be doing it in the next couple week too! https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...tor-build.html

Mikey

 

no harm no foul - but your comparing the black to a stock turbo. im talking the black to the hta35r.

i was just simply saying that if he had $500-$600 to spend his best route would either be
1. a used sheet metal intake manifold

2. a buschur ported intake manifold, ported manifold, install his 9 turbo and a retune - if you look at buschurs site, the parts do not cost as much as you stated because of the core charges.

Would you agree with that statment or no?

I can't come up with a better option for $500-$600 for the gains he would get from either or.

If I had to guess, option 2 will gain about the same or more than just the sheet metal intake

 

Hes still gonna have to pay for the tune unless he can tune himself so ultimately might as well say the $600 and go with a more permanent power solution down the road instead of wasting money to get a few more HP for right now.

 

Yea I think Im just gonna start saving up for a red or black, or maybe something bigger, idk yet. I do want a nice intake mani at some point. But at the moment, it makes more sense to me to get the bigger snail first, then improve upon it later.

 

IS this car pump/meth to utilize the 10:1 compression? Since it seems its not going to be an E85 car I was trying to figure out the concept before offering suggestions. My recommendation is establish a budget with a specific power goal. DO NOT STRAY from this. You end up paying for things twice like labor/tune and parts.

I dont want to presume anything about Boomba's dyno but if it were a Buschuresque reading that would be 331 or so on ours. I am curious about the boost (may have missed it) and the conditions it was dyno'd in.

Josh, I thought I had sent a pm with the rough price and then I was going to get the detailed one off. Seems as though I could have got it done and saved you a little for your initial goal. However you are in good hands and it will be nice to see you and the car at the shootout.

Mikey, remember the 1st law...the God of Horsepower is a Jealous god.

 

Yeah it's not a big deal John I know all the good shops are busy shops and that's a good thing. I wish I had 5 Evos and an unlimited budget to send a car out to each other the shops I like and 1 for myself to build

I hope to see you there as well but I might not be able to make it as my build funds have spilled over into my trip funds lol and I'm not sure Ill have enough left to make the trip and stay for the few days. If not there is always next year.