Turned Crank Theory..Controled Test
Personally, I find the extra $200 well spent. I have yet to have a customer ask when doing a 7k dollar build, "where can I save 200"... If you are spending that much time/money into a motor do it right the first time.
I am glad that things have worked out for you thus far. I just hope that it doesn't decide to give out on you. The 200 you could have spent, most likely would have kept your motor together. Just my .02
Mikey
I am glad that things have worked out for you thus far. I just hope that it doesn't decide to give out on you. The 200 you could have spent, most likely would have kept your motor together. Just my .02
Mikey
The point of the test is to find out if it's possible to make power with a turned crank, which the OP has pretty soundly done. My car lasted about 15K with a turned crank before I blew it up (Engine failure was unrelated to the crank) It's also possible that the smaller bearing journal and the lower bearing speed that goes along with that is actually beneficial. (Given the small difference, though, I doubt it.)
In the end, more data can only be beneficial to the community.
With respect, the thread is called a test. Obviously $200 savings is a drop in the bucket, but it's still $200
The point of the test is to find out if it's possible to make power with a turned crank, which the OP has pretty soundly done. My car lasted about 15K with a turned crank before I blew it up (Engine failure was unrelated to the crank) It's also possible that the smaller bearing journal and the lower bearing speed that goes along with that is actually beneficial. (Given the small difference, though, I doubt it.)
In the end, more data can only be beneficial to the community.
The point of the test is to find out if it's possible to make power with a turned crank, which the OP has pretty soundly done. My car lasted about 15K with a turned crank before I blew it up (Engine failure was unrelated to the crank) It's also possible that the smaller bearing journal and the lower bearing speed that goes along with that is actually beneficial. (Given the small difference, though, I doubt it.)
In the end, more data can only be beneficial to the community.
I clearly stated numerous times that for peace of mind you should spend the extra couple hundred and get a new one..so why do people keep repeating it? This was a test to benefit the community and possibly educate people.
-Mike
THANK YOU! Somebody that actually got the point of the thread and doesn't take the thread completely off topic. It wasnt about the money it was to prove a point that a turned crank can handle any HP you throw at it if you do it right.
I clearly stated numerous times that for peace of mind you should spend the extra couple hundred and get a new one..so why do people keep repeating it? This was a test to benefit the community and possibly educate people.
-Mike
I clearly stated numerous times that for peace of mind you should spend the extra couple hundred and get a new one..so why do people keep repeating it? This was a test to benefit the community and possibly educate people.
-Mike
I ran a double turned crank at .02 off on even more power in a DSM supporting an HX52. People are worried because they simply don't know any better.
To the OP, your dyno was scheduled for 3 days ago... How'd it go?
To the OP, your dyno was scheduled for 3 days ago... How'd it go?
Last edited by TSimage; Aug 30, 2011 at 03:23 PM.
I wouldn't exactly finger anyone for 'not knowing any better'. They recognize that turning the crank has implications where the induction hardening and rod journal fillets are concerned, which we are fairly certain to be why the factory says "no".
The reservations expressed here are understandable, because few are willing to take chances with a part that is so critical, and whose destruction can take basically the entire engine with it. It's just not expensive enough for most to justify taking a chance, but for those who do, you have the ethical and moral support of everyone.
Just a bit of perspective.
The reservations expressed here are understandable, because few are willing to take chances with a part that is so critical, and whose destruction can take basically the entire engine with it. It's just not expensive enough for most to justify taking a chance, but for those who do, you have the ethical and moral support of everyone.
Just a bit of perspective.
Seeing as how I have to catch crap from everyone, every time I post something.....
The test is ridiculous. The break in is ridiculous. That is the slowest break in I've ever seen and a waste of time and fun factors.
I can tell you with complete certainty after building God only knows how many 4g63's if the machine shop is worth using at all a turned crank is no worse than a new stock crank. We build engines weekly with turned cranks, put them on the dyno and run them flat out to maximum RPM and boost levels within 10 pulls and send them down the road in customers cars that go for years and years and years.
There is no debate to whether a turned crank will hold up, they will absolutely.
The test is ridiculous. The break in is ridiculous. That is the slowest break in I've ever seen and a waste of time and fun factors.
I can tell you with complete certainty after building God only knows how many 4g63's if the machine shop is worth using at all a turned crank is no worse than a new stock crank. We build engines weekly with turned cranks, put them on the dyno and run them flat out to maximum RPM and boost levels within 10 pulls and send them down the road in customers cars that go for years and years and years.
There is no debate to whether a turned crank will hold up, they will absolutely.
Seeing as how I have to catch crap from everyone, every time I post something.....
The test is ridiculous. The break in is ridiculous. That is the slowest break in I've ever seen and a waste of time and fun factors.
I can tell you with complete certainty after building God only knows how many 4g63's if the machine shop is worth using at all a turned crank is no worse than a new stock crank. We build engines weekly with turned cranks, put them on the dyno and run them flat out to maximum RPM and boost levels within 10 pulls and send them down the road in customers cars that go for years and years and years.
There is no debate to whether a turned crank will hold up, they will absolutely.
The test is ridiculous. The break in is ridiculous. That is the slowest break in I've ever seen and a waste of time and fun factors.
I can tell you with complete certainty after building God only knows how many 4g63's if the machine shop is worth using at all a turned crank is no worse than a new stock crank. We build engines weekly with turned cranks, put them on the dyno and run them flat out to maximum RPM and boost levels within 10 pulls and send them down the road in customers cars that go for years and years and years.
There is no debate to whether a turned crank will hold up, they will absolutely.
I always get excited when I see David buschur has replied to a topic I have taken an interest in. It's just very obvious that he forgets more in a normal month than I'm likely to ever learn.






